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Food control and Executive Order # 10998 in the
Tribulation
A Reader Writes:
Hi Nick, I don't know if you remember me, we exchanged
several emails awhile back.
Somewhere I
read on your website, about "hording food" that it would
become illegal, per Executive Order. If you wouldn't
mind, could you pass back to me which order? I have
researched, can't find it. It came up tonight, and has
caught my attention again.
Hope all is
well with you and your ministry! And whatever your need
was that you requested prayer, I hope your need was met!
Hello to you. He did answer my prayer―not
with what I wanted, per se, but with peace of mind to know that
what is, is His will; and with the strength to accept that, and to move
forward in peace. Thank you for asking and praying for me.
The issue that you inquire of
is on our Homepage, at the bottom of the following article:
Controlled media
and its part in world-control.
A simple Internet search (under " executive order food hoarding ") will
reveal a plethora of articles speaking on this very same thing.
"EXECUTIVE ORDER
10998 allows the government to take over all
food resources and farms.
["problem areas" won't receive food
drops until they comply. Another one of these Orders, that I
have seen, not mentioned here, outlaws food stockpiling; why do
you think that is?]"
You are looking for an official U.S. statement that
says something to the effect of: "we will not let people stockpile
provisions." You aren't going to easily find that written so
clearly. FEMA does recommend keeping a three day supply of food and
water in the home―hardly helpful
when the world goes mad and cities are cordoned off without renewal of
supplies able (or allowed, better stated) to get in.
A government, or shadow government better
stated, is not going to tell us that it is building an apparatus to
force us into dependence upon them. A "shadow government" is a
secret administrative body that controls the visible government that you
and I vote for. The rulers of the shadow government rule the people by
controlling the overt visible government. It is no mystery as to
who is the shadow government. The International
Judaics have shadow governments in every consequential Western Nation.
"They" keep this a secret by the sheer un-believability of it. Former
FBI director J. Edgar Hoover speaks on this matter:
"The individual is handicapped by coming
face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it
exists." ― J. Edgar Hoover
The problem, for us investigators, is that the
powers that be (TPTB) aren't just going to come right out and say
that they are planning to control and destroy us. For obvious reasons.
So the investigator must read between the lines, search the mundane, and
bring together a completed picture. You can tell the plans of any group
by the preparations that they lay in place before "zero hour"; i.e.,
Adolph Hitler registered guns, then Hitler confiscated guns, then Hitler
enslaved a peoples. And maybe ten or so years ago, "they" made great
effort at gun control in America―but
Americans had not yet been fully prepared (brainwashed) into giving up
their right to bear arms.
This is causing TPTB
considerable consternation, and has set their plans back some, as
resistance pockets will inevitably be set up by the people
once they finally see the writing on the wall. But potential resistance
pockets are being monitored even now, and their leaders shall be
arrested/assassinated at the onset of Martial Law initiation in the
Western Christians Nations of North America and Europe. How will
the TPTB know and locate them? "They" read everything that you are
reading, "they" infiltrate all groups, and "they" have back-door access
to all nation's internal security and surveillance apparatuses.
I'll ask you to fit the rest of that puzzle together yourself.
Following the trail of the elite is not always an
exact science, as TPTB have foresaw this and made provisions for
"plausible deniability" (i.e., I/we didn't know...). But their
best defense is our stupider brethren who stick their head in the
sand and say "That will never happen here, never happen to us, not in
America." These same don't think that America can lose a war (but
just wait till [and if] we attack Iran. I speak of Russia's, China's,
and the Islamic nations in general's actions thereafter). And then these
same dullards mock those of us who clearly see the writing on the wall
and the intent of the elite. These types are called "useful idiots,"
and the International Judaics fund and use this sort for their value to
them.
In Russia, after the 1917 Jewish Bolshevik Revolution,
these useful idiots were arrested/exiled or simply shot in the streets,
having used up their usefulness. In every revolution orchestrated by the
International Judaics (and most are), the first thing that they do after the
streets settle down is to execute the intelligentsia, government officials,
religious clergy, military leaders, and police forces (and enact
"AntiSemitism Laws" as was the first order of business in 1917 Russia).
WHY? Because power likes to stay in power, so to avoid
counter-revolutions, they destroy all who would be able to rise one. What's
left in the targeted nation is a docile welfare state well suited to
enslavement for bread and privilege. "Privilege" being the right to
live. This is their plan for the entire world; a world that they then will
hand over to their god satan (antichrist). Remember, to the hard-core
International Judaics, all non-Jews, and even most of their "lesser
brethren" (as "they" call them) everyday Jews are human cattle (Goyim).
Excerpt:
Protocols of The
Learned Elders of Zion; circa 1897
A.D.
Specifically bookmark #43:
http://www.biblestudysite.com/plez.htm#43 The below is a
collation of excerpts from the Protocols.
THE PROTOCOLS
DIGEST-ED
ON PROPAGANDA
"Our
[the International Judaics]
aim must be to debilitate the public mind
by continually fomenting contradictory opinions and thus
distract it from serious reflections which might cause
resistance to our aims. . . Let
the goyim be bewildered, for there is nothing so dangerous as
personal initiative!"
"So that the true meaning
of things shall not strike the goyim until the proper time, we
shall mask it under an alleged ardent desire to serve the
working classes. . If any States raise a protest against us, it
is only pro forma and by our direction, for their
anti-Semitism is indispensable to us for the management of
our lesser brethren.
"The
Press is already [1897]
in our hands.
Not a single announcement will reach the public without our
control. This we have already attained in large part through our
control of those agencies by which all news items must pass. . .
We shall put out our own journals, disguised as coming from
elsewhere so that readers will in effect be following the flag
we hang out for them; these will even be allowed to feign
attacks on us, to convince people they are reading a free
press.... Let them discuss themselves silly!"
"Distraction is one of our
principal aims -- through amusements gambling and games of all
kinds. . . have we not very successfully turned the brainless
heads of the goyim with 'progress' a fallacious idea except in
terms of material invention, for truth is one and there can be
no place in it for progress? "Progress" serves to obscure the
truth so that none may know it except ourselves, the Chosen
of God, its guardians."
"When we come into our
Kingdom, it will be undesirable that there should exist any
religion other than ours. We must therefore sweep away
all other forms of belief . . . We have long taken
care to discredit the priesthood of the goyim, whose influence
falls lower day by day. But no one will ever bring our
faith under discussion from its true point of view,
since only we shall know that."
[End excerpt]
We speak of Executive Orders and FEMA directives,
and we see evidence of them; however, there are also a whole plethora of
these type orders that are Top Secret and that will not be divulged
until they are put into operation. The ones that we see and that we
know (see bottom of
article at this link) are minor compared to those that are
classified. And since the ones that we do have access to are so
shocking―imagine the horrors when
the ones that were deemed to sensitive for pre-release are initiated!
Anyway, I did a cursory search to find you more info
on EO 10998. Below is what I found.
"...Can
Our Government Really Tell Us How Much Food and Supplies We
Can Keep?
The short answer is YES, in a roundabout way.
Due to numerous discussions questioning the existence of federal
anti-hoarding legislation, I wanted to see if such Executive
Orders had been written. First and foremost, we do not want to
suggest people store items beyond "legal limits" if such limits
did exist. Second, we want to separate fact from rumor buzzing
around the Internet which has only added to the confusion. This
search has yielded no federal legislation aimed directly
at prohibiting food storage. But this does not mean "hoarding"
is legal, and here's why... "
Excerpt #2:
". . . . Bottom line?
Clinton delegated authority to FEMA to run the show however it
sees fit if he declares a national emergency. Who will
determine how much food we can have in our house? FEMA. And the
amount depends on the needs of all...not your needs or my
needs...but the "welfare" of the needy.
Many people have balked about FEMA's extensive authority, but
think about it, what other agency has the manpower to cover and
implement aid? As it is, FEMA still does not have the manpower
to control every city all over the US in times of crisis.
Chances are they would only be dispatched to larger metropolitan
areas where more crowd control might be needed. Lots of people
suggest darker reasons for their existence, but this site is
only addressing anti-hoarding legislation, nothing else.
EO #11051 covering "economic or financial crisis" certainly
would have terrorism implications as well. An emergency does not
have to be defined as another Hurricane Hugo or massive
Midwestern flooding.
State
Legislation's Role in Anti-Hoarding
The other area where anti-hoarding confusion
might have arisen is state legislation. Most states
have chosen to enact their own anti-hoarding laws. That
means some states may not have such laws, others do and not
all are uniform. However, uniformity of state law is
something governors are striving for under the Interstate
Compact Agreement. The Compact Agreements, much like
Executive Orders for the president, really don't require
voters' input. They are law if the legislature doesn't
object, much like Congress that has 30 days to object to an
EO before it becomes law. At times
of "declared emergencies", each governor cedes
(gives over) authority of his/her state to the federal
government. When a governor declares it for his
state, he becomes the delegated representative of the
federal government according to an Interstate Compact
Agreement. Bottom line, even though federal legislation
does not directly address anti-hoarding, goods can be seized
if national circumstances are felt to warrant it whether or
not amounts stored are deemed excessive in your state's
eyes."
[end excerpts]
The Executive Order in question, EO #10998, was
signed by John F. Kennedy in 1962. Below is a reproduction (scanned-in,
bearing some scanner character-recognition errors) of that official
order. You read it and determine if you feel that "they" could construe
it to seize "hoarded food," and/or prohibit "hoarding food." I have
taken the liberty of highlighting [in Red
bold text] certain phrases that I feel are ambiguous and
that could be construed by "authorities" in quite a different manner
during a "crisis" than they read here now in safe times.
Executive Order 10998
ASSIGNING EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS
FUNCTIONS TO THE SECRETARY OF AGRICULTURE
By virtue of the authority
vested in me as President of the United States, including
authority vested in me by Reorganization Plan No. 1 of 1958 (72
Stat. 1799), it is hereby ordered as follows:
SECTION 1. Scope.
The Secretary of Agriculture (hereinafter referred to as the
Secretary) shall prepare national emergency plans and develop
preparedness programs covering: Food resources,
farm equipment, fertilizer, and
food resource facilities,
as defined below; rural fire control; defense against biological
warfare, chemical warfare, and radiological fallout pertaining
to agricultural activities; and rural defense information and
education. These plans and programs shall be designed to develop
a state of readiness in these areas with respect to all
conditions of national emergency, including attack upon the
United States.
SEC. 2. Definitions.
As used in this order:
(a)
"Food resources" means all commodities
and products, simple, mixed or compound, or complements to
such commodities or products, that are capable of being
eaten or drunk, by either human beings or animals'
irrespective of other uses to which
such commodities or products may be. put, at all stages of
processing from the raw commodity to the products thereof in
vendible form for human or animal consumption. For the
purposes of this order the term "food resources" shall also
include all starches, sugars, vegetable and animal fats and
oils, cotton, tobacco, wool, mohair, hemp, flax fiber, and
naval stores, but shall not include any such material after
it loses its identity as an agricultural commodity or
agricultural product.
(b) "Farm equipment"
means machinery, equipment and repair parts manufactured
primarily for use on farms in connection with the production
or preparation for market or use of "food resources."
(c) "Fertilizer" means
any product or combination of products for plant nutrition
in form for distribution to the users thereof.
(d) "Food resource
facilities" means plants, machinery, vehicles (including on
farm) and other facilities for the production, processing,
distribution and
storage (including cold storage) of food resources,
and for domestic distribution of farm equipment and
fertilizer.
SEC. 3. Food Function.
With respect to food resources, food resource facilities,
farm equipment, and fertilizer the Secretary shall:
(a) Resources.
Periodically assess assigned
resources available from all sources
in order to estimate availability
under an emergency situation, analyze resource estimates in
relation to estimated requirements in order to identify
problem areas, and develop appropriate recommendations and
programs including those necessary for the maintenance of an
adequate mobilization base. Provide data and assistance
before and after attack for national resource evaluation
purposes of the Office of Emergency Planning.
(b) Requirements.
Periodically assemble, develop as appropriate, and evaluate
requirements for assigned resources and service, taking into
account the estimated
needs for military, civilian, and foreign purposes. Such
evaluation shall take into consideration the geographical
distribution of requirements under emergency conditions.
(c) Priorities and
allocations. Develop priorities, allocations and
distribution control systems
and related plans to insure that available food resources
are properly apportioned
among and distributed to civilian,
military and foreign claimants in an emergency and develop
priorities, allocations and distribution control systems and
related plans for the domestic distribution of farm
equipment and fertilizer.
(d) Production and
processing. Develop
control systems and related plans including control of use
of facilities designed to provide adequate and continuing
production, processing and storage of essential food
resources in an emergency.
(e) Salvage and
rehabilitation. Develop plans for salvage of food resources
after determination by proper authorities having the
responsibility for this function, of their safety for human
or animal consumption anti develop plans for the
rehabilitation of food resource facilities after attack.
(f) Economic
stabilization. Cooperate with the Office of Emergency
Planning in the development of stabilization policies as
they might affect agricultural production, processing,
distribution, and storage, and in tile
development of policies for consumer
rationing of food resources.
(g) Financial aid.
Develop plans and procedures for financial and credit
assistance for farmers who might need such assistance under
various mobilization conditions, and provide assistance to
food industries in obtaining necessary financing and credit
in an emergency.
SEC. 4. Cooperation
with Department of Defense. In consonance with national
civil defense plans, programs and operations of the Department
of Defense, under Executive Order No. 10952, the Secretary
shall:
(a) Facilities
protection. Provide industry protection guidance materials
adapted to the needs of assigned food resources facilities
and promote a national program to stimulate disaster
preparedness and control in order to minimize the effects of
overt or covert attack, and to maintain continuity of
production and capacity to serve essential users in an
emergency. Guidance shall include, but not be limited to,
organizing and training facility personnel shelter,
evacuation plans, records protection, continuity of
management, emergency repair,
deconcentration or dispersal of
facilities, and industrial
mutual :lid associations for an emergency.
(b) Rural fire
functions. In cooperation with Federal, State and local
agencies, develop plans for a national program and direct
activities in relationship to the prevention and control of
fires in the rural areas in the United States caused by the
effects of enemy attack.
(c) Biological,
chemical, and radiological warfare defense functions.
Develop plans for a national program, direct Federal
activities, and furnish technical guidance to State and
local authorities concerning
(1) diagnosis and
strengthening of defensive barriers and control or
eradication of diseases, pests, or chemicals introduced
as agents of biological or chemical warfare against
animals, crops or products thereof;
(2) protective
measures, treatment and handling of livestock, including
poultry, agricultural commodities on farms or ranches,
agricultural lands, forest lands, and water for
agricultural purposes, any of which have been exposed to
or affected by radiation. Plans shall be developed for a
national program and direction of Federal activities to
assure the safety and wholesomeness and to minimize
losses from biological and chemical warfare radiological
effects, and other emergency hazards of livestock, meat
and meat products, poultry and poultry products in
establishments under the continuous inspection of the
U.S. Department of Agriculture, and agricultural
commodities and products owned by the Commodity Credit
Corporation or by the Secretary.
(d) Rural defense
information and education.
Conduct a rural defense information
and education program to advise farmers that they will have
a responsibility to produce food of the kind and quantity
needed in an emergency
and shall work with farmers and others in rural areas to
reduce the vulnerability of hollies, crops, livestock, and
forests, to either overt or covert attack.
(e) Damage assessment.
Maintain a capability to assess the effects of attack on
assigned resource areas and departmental installations, both
at national and field levels, and provide data to the
Department of Defense.
SEC. 5. Claimancy.
The Secretary shall prepare plans
to claim materials, manpower, equipment, supplies and
services which would be needed
to carry out assigned responsibilities and
other essential functions of the Department from the appropriate
agency and work with such agencies in developing programs to
insure availability of such resources Ill an emergency.
SEC. 6. Stockpiles.
The Secretary shall assist the Office of Emergency Planning in
formulating and carrying out plans for stockpiling strategic and
critical materials. In the administration of Commodity Credit
Corporation inventories of
food resources shall take
all possible measures to
assure the availability of such inventories when and where
needed in an emergency.
The secretary shall also develop plans and procedures for the
proper utilization of agriculture items stockpiled for survival
purposes.
SEC. 7. National
Program Guidance. The Secretary shall provide technical
guidance to State and local governments to the end that all
planning concerned with functions assigned herein will be
effectively coordinated. He shall also maintain relations with
the appropriate industries to foster mutual understanding of
Federal emergency plans.
SEC. 8. Research.
Within the framework of over-all Federal research objectives,
the Secretary shall supervise or conduct research directly
concerned with carrying out emergency preparedness
responsibilities, designate representatives for necessary ad hoc
or task force groups' and provide advice and assistance to other
agencies in planning for research in areas involving the
interests of the Department of Agriculture.
SEC. 9. Functional
Guidance. The Secretary, in carrying out the functions
assigned in this order, shall be guided by the following:
(a) Interagency
cooperation. The Secretary shall assume the initiative in
developing joint plans for the coordination of emergency
food resources of those departments and agencies which have
the responsibility for any segment of such activities. He
shall utilize to the maximum those capabilities of other
agencies qualified to perform or assist in the performance
of assigned functions by contractual or other agreements.
(b) Presidential
coordination. The Director of the Office of Emergency
Planning shall advise and assist the President in
determining policy for, and assist him in coordinating the
performance of functions under this order with the total
national preparedness program.
(c) Emergency
planning. Emergency plans and programs and emergency or
organization structure required thereby, shall be developed
as an integral part of the continuing activities of the
Department of Agriculture and the basis that it will have
the responsibility for carrying out such programs during an
emergency. The Secretary shall be prepared to implement all
appropriate plans developed under this order.
Modifications and-temporary
organizational changes, based on emergency conditions,
will be in accordance with policy determination by the
President.
SEC. 10. Emergency
Functions. Nothing in this order shall be construed as
conferring authority under Title III of the Federal Civil
Defense Act of 1950, as amended, or otherwise, to put into
effect any emergency plan, procedure, policy, program, or course
of action prepared or developed pursuant to this order. Such
authority is reserved to the President.
SEC. 11. Redelegation.
The Secretary is hereby
authorized to redelegate within the Department of Agriculture
the functions hereinabove assigned to him.
SEC. 12. Prior Actions.
To the extent of any inconsistency between the provisions of
,any prior order and the provisions of this order, the latter
shall control. Emergency Preparedness Order No. 1 (hereto issued
by the Director, Office of Civil and Defense Mobilization) (26
F.R. 651-652). is hereby revoked.
JOHN F. KENNEDY
THE WHITE HOUSE, February
16, 1962.
The International Judaics well know the value of
food-control in man-control. By it they control Sub-Saharan
Africa today, while they rape the Dark Continent of her precious metals
and diamond mines resources. Below is an excerpt from their
manifesto. Also, in chapter six and into chapter seven below, notice
WHY you have a Democracy in the Western Christian Nations instead of
Kingdoms or Republics (America was once a Republic, now she is a
Democracy). England, Russia, Germany, France, etc., were all Kingdoms,
now they are Democracies. Guess why?).
Source:
Protocols of The
Learned Elders of Zion
PROTOCOL No. 3
"...[6.] The
people, under our
[International Judaics]
guidance, have annihilated the aristocracy, who were their one
and only defense and foster- mother for the sake of
their own advantage which is inseparably bound up with the
well-being of the people. Nowadays, with the destruction
of the aristocracy, the people have fallen into the grips
of merciless money-grinding scoundrels who have laid a pitiless
and cruel yoke upon the necks of the workers.
[7.] We appear on
the scene as alleged saviours of the worker from this oppression
when we propose to him to enter the ranks of our fighting forces
-- Socialists, Anarchists, Communists -- to whom we
always give support in accordance with an alleged brotherly rule
(of the solidarity of all humanity) of our SOCIAL
MASONRY. The aristocracy, which enjoyed by law
the labor of the workers, was interested in seeing that the
workers were well fed, healthy, and strong. We are
interested in just the opposite -- in the diminution, the
KILLING OUT OF THE GOYIM. Our power is in the chronic
shortness of food and physical weakness of the worker
because by all that this implies he is made the slave of our
will, and he will not find in his own authorities either
strength or energy to set against our will. Hunger
creates the right of capital to rule the worker more surely
than it was given to the aristocracy by the legal authority of
kings.
[8.] By want and the envy
and hatred which it engenders we shall move the mobs and
with their hands we shall wipe out all those who hinder
us on our way.
[9.] WHEN THE HOUR
STRIKES FOR OUR SOVEREIGN LORD OF ALL THE WORLD
TO BE CROWNED IT IS THESE SAME HANDS WHICH WILL SWEEP
AWAY EVERYTHING THAT MIGHT BE A HINDRANCE THERETO. ..."
[End of excerpt]
By the way, welcome to the antichrist, e.g.,
the
"OUR SOVEREIGN LORD OF ALL THE WORLD" in chapter 9 above.
Please feel free to follow-up. And please also let
me know if your research (with citations and links) leads you to any
other info on this matter which you feel may be a benefit to the other
readers of our Website. Thank you.
Peace to you in Christ Jesus.
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The male gender of the Two Witnesses (of Rev 11) in the
Scriptures
A reader (actually, more than one)
asked how we could be sure that the Two Witnesses (or even one of them)
couldn't be female. Aside from the fact that God has always used men
for that type of world-changing work, and that it is unnatural and contradictory
that the Scriptures would declare that the woman is not to teach (1 Tim
2:11-12), that she is to be silent in the churches (1 Cor 14:34-35, etc.),
and that she is under the man (1 Peter 3:5-6, Eph 5:22), etc―and
then to have a woman lead God's people in the Great Tribulation which, as
Christ foretold will be so terrible: "For then shall
be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to
this time, no, nor ever shall be." (Mat 24:21); we also have
Scriptural evidence as to the maleness of the Two Witness of God in
Revelation chapter eleven.
The place of the woman
1 Timothy 2:11-12
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach , nor to usurp authority over the
man, but to be in silence. KJV
1 Corinthians 14:34-35
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted
unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as
also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at
home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. KJV
1 Peter 3:5-6
5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted
in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are,
as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement. KJV
Ephesians 5:22
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
KJV
In Revelation chapter eleven we see
that two chosen servants of God are empowered by the Holy Spirit to work
wonders and to testify against the world at that apostate time.
The Two Witnesses
Revelation 11:3-10
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a
thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before
the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and
devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this
manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their
prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the
earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that
ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall
overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which
spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see
their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead
bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make
merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets
tormented them that dwelt on the earth. KJV
These are men, for they are called "prophets"
prophets:
Greek word #4396 prophetes (prof-ay'-tace); from a compound
of NT:4253 and NT:5346; a foreteller ("prophet"); by analogy, an
inspired speaker; by extension, a poet: KJV - prophet.
The above word "prophet" is the male form. There
is a female form of the word, it is rendered "prophetess" in the New
Testament. For example:
Luke 2:36
36 And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of
Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived
with an husband seven years from her virginity; KJV
prophetess;
Greek word #4398 prophetis (prof-ay'-tis);
feminine of NT:4396; a female foreteller or an
inspired woman: KJV - prophetess.
Compare the words "prophet" and
"prophetess" (and the plural male "prophets") in the Interlinear:
Note: How to read below Interlinear:
Prophetess (Luke 2:36):
Prophet (John 12:38):
Prophets (Rev 11:10):
There is one other "person" called
a prophetess in the New Testament, or rather, that called herself a
prophetess; that is:
Revelation 2:20
20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou
sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a
prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit
fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. KJV
Though there were the four
daughters of Phillip which "did prophesy," but they were not called
"prophetesses" (or prophets), but rather, they were called "virgins."
A prophet prophesies but not all who prophesy are "prophets."
Acts 21:8-9
8 And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came
unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist,
which was one of the seven; and abode with him.
9 And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.
KJV
The word (verb) "prophesy" means
simply to speak God's words:
prophesy:
Greek word #4395 propheteuo (prof-ate-yoo'-o);
from NT:4396; to foretell events,
divine, speak under inspiration, exercise the prophetic office:
KJV - prophesy.
NT:4396
prophetes (prof-ay'-tace); from a compound of NT:4253 and NT:5346; a
foreteller ("prophet"); by analogy, an inspired speaker; by
extension, a poet: KJV - prophet.
Bullinger touches on this briefly
in his appendix #174
(below) of the
Companion Bible;
specifically under #1 apostello:
Synonymous Words for
"Send", "Sent", etc.
This
Is Appendix 174 From The Companion Bible.
apostello = to send forth or off, or away from (as
a messenger, or with a commission), the sender remaining behind
1;
implying authority on the part of the sender. Hence used
of prophets; and the Noun "apostle",
denotes one thus sent.
exapostello = to send off, or away out of (the place
where one is); implying the same mission and authority. No. 1,
with the Preposition ek prefixed. See
Appendix 104. vii.
sunapostello = to send off together (or in
conjunction) with another. No. 1, with sun (Appendix
104. xvi) prefixed. Occurs only in 2Corinthians 12:18.
pempo = to send (esp. with an escort), the sender
accompanying those sent
2.
See Luke 7:3 (where No. 1, above, is used), and verse 6 (where
pempo is used).
anapempo = to send up (as to a judge for trial); or
to send back, remit (as in Luke 23:11); or to send again.
ekpempo = to send out from, send out. No. 4 with
ek (Appendix 104. vii)
prefixed. Occurs only in Acts 13:4; 17:10.
metapempo = to send for, so as to be with
one's self. No. 4 with meta (Appendix 104.
xi) prefixed. Occurs only (except once) in Middle Voice.
Acts 10:5, 22, 29; 11:13; 24:24, 26; 25:3. See Passive Voice,
Acts 10:29-.
sumpempo = to send in company with. No. 4, with
sun (Appendix 104. xvi)
prefixed. Occurs only in 2Corinthians 8:18, 22.
ballo = to throw, to cast (the context determining
the nature or degree of force exercised). Compare Matthew 10:34.
ekballo = to throw or cast out of, or from No. 9,
with ek (Appendix 104. vii)
prefixed. Compare Matthew 12:20.
apoluo = to loosen off from, let loose from, release,
let go away. Compare Matthew 15:23.
aphiemi = to send off or away from one's self (in any
manner); hence, to dismiss. Compare Matthew 13:36.
apotassomai = to withdraw from by taking formal leave
of; to bid farewell or say "adieu" to : as Elisha
did from Elijah (Josephus, Antiquities viii.
13:7). Compare Mark 6:46. Luke 9:61; 14:33. Acts 18:18, 21.
2Corinthians. 2:13.
bruo = to emit, or send forth abundantly (as a
fountain). Occurs only in James 3:11.
NOTES
1
See John 20:22: "as the Father hath sent (No. 1)
Me, even so send I (No. 4) you."
2
See note above, where pempo is thus emphasized.
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And yes, in the end days women
shall "prophesy" (speak God's words), but that does not make them
"prophets," and certainly not God's Two Witnesses:
Acts 2:16-18
16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour
out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall
prophesy , and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall
dream dreams:
18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those
days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: KJV
Even the Jewish leaders, who did
not believe upon Christ―thus extracting
themselves from God's blessings and eternal life―"prophesied."
But certainly they were not "prophets":
John 11:46-51
46 But some of them went their ways to the Pharisees, and told them what
things Jesus had done.
47 Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and
said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles.
48 If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans
shall come and take away both our place and nation.
49 And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same
year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,
50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for
the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he
prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
KJV
God uses whom He will,
even the unsaved. But that does not make them "prophets," though for a
moment they did prophesy. In the below, even children called Jesus
Christ the awaited Savior, the Son of David, which the Old Testament
prophets had spoken of. They were "prophesying" that this Man Jesus
Christ was He who was to come, but they were not called "prophets":
Matthew 21:15-16
15 And when the chief priests and scribes saw the wonderful things that
he did, and the children crying in the temple, and saying,
Hosanna to the Son of David; they were sore displeased,
16 And said unto him, Hearest thou what these say? And Jesus saith unto
them, Yea; have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and
sucklings thou hast perfected praise? KJV
Jesus was referring to the Old Testament prophesy:
Psalms 8:1-2
O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast
set thy glory above the heavens.
2 Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength
because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the
avenger. KJV
But we are getting off-track here. Turning to the Old Testament,
we see that these Two Witnesses were spoken of and prophesied of long before
the New Testament was ever written. It is here that really 'nail down'
the male gender of these Two Witnesses. Observe:
Zechariah 4:1-14
4:1 And the angel that talked with me came again, and waked me, as a man
that is wakened out of his sleep,
2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a
candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps
thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:
3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the
other upon the left side thereof.
4 So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are
these, my lord?
. . . . [Cont. to verse 14]
11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these
two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left
side thereof?
12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches
which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?
13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said,
No, my lord.
14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand
by the LORD of the whole earth. KJV
This is why a good Interlinear
(like the one below from BibleSoft [PC
Study Bible Version 4 Reference Library +])
is so valuable to the student. In verse fourteen above, we see in the
English the word "ones"; however, in the Hebrew, which the English was
translated from, we see that this is a male term. It means "sons":
Ones:
Hebrew word #1121 ben (bane); from OT:1129; a son
(as a builder of the family name), in the widest sense (of literal and
figurative relationship, including grandson, subject, nation, quality or
condition, etc., [like OT:1, OT:251, etc.]): KJV -
afflicted, age, [Ahoh-] [Ammon-] [Hachmon-] [Lev-] ite, [anointed-] one,
appointed to, (+)arrow, [Assyr-] [Babylon-] [Egypt-] [Grec-] ian, one
born, bough, branch, breed, (young) bullock, (young) calf, came up in,
child, colt, common, corn, daughter, of first, firstborn, foal, very
fruitful, postage, in, kid, lamb, (+)man, meet, mighty, nephew, old,
(+)people, rebel, robber, servant born, soldier, son, spark, steward,
stranger, surely, them of, tumultuous one, valiant [-est], whelp,
worthy, young (one), youth.
The above word, ben (son -
Heb. #1121), appears in the Hebrew Old Testament 4930 times. In the
below screen capture, I show as many as were in the on-screen panel.
The yellow highlighted words
are the words that were translated from "ben" (son
- Heb. #1121). You
will notice the male gender―oftentimes
directly contrasted with the female gender in the same sentence, as in the
entry for Genesis 5:4, etc. And regarding the first entry in the below
list, where the King James translators rendered the Hebrew ben as the
English "children," you will notice that this was speaking of Cain and Able―and
both were males. "ben" means son, male gender:
Based upon the above evidence, the
Two Witnesses of Revelation chapter 11 shall be two men. Males.
But then, does not even nature tell you so? Why do so many women in
this wicked generation always seem to want to be something that they are not―men?
I myself am a man, but I don't want
to bear children, because it isn't my duty or my place, it isn't what God
ordained for me. Now, many a woman isn't thrilled at the idea of being
drafted to go into a war somewhere to die in the mud or sand far from home.
Luckily for women, they do not have to worry about that, neither now nor in
the Bible times. I, being a man, have a role in God's world, and women
have their own roll in God's world, and never shall the twain meet; else,
why did He create them male and female? Whatever gender you Christians
are, be happy that you are in the Eternal Kingdom. And do your job to
please God, whatever that may be. Men need to quit trying to be
feminine, and women need to quit trying to be masculine―it
isn't natural. And no, God does not change with our (satan inspired)
"times" and social movements:
Malachi 3:6
6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of
Jacob are not consumed. KJV
James 1:17
17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down
from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness,
neither shadow of turning. KJV
Hebrews 13:8
8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for
ever. KJV
Matthew 5:17-19
[Christ speaking]
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the
law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy,
but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one
tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be
fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and
shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of
heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called
great in the kingdom of heaven. KJV
Hebrews 6:17-18
17 Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of
promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by
an oath:
18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to
lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay
hold upon the hope set before us: KJV
1 Samuel 15:29
29 And also the Strength of Israel [God]
will not lie nor repent: for he is
not a man, that he should repent. KJV
Numbers 23:19
19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that
he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or
hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? KJV
Psalms 89:34
34 My [God] covenant
will I not break, nor alter the thing
that is gone out of my lips. KJV
The only ones who changed are the
disobedient among us, both men and women. That shall come to an end
shortly.
Am I popular with the "Women's
Libbers"? Three guesses. I am not any more popular with
Feminists than I am with Homosexuals, Lesbians, Atheists, Jews, Muslims, etc―but
then, neither is God's written Word, the Bible, popular with these sorts
either. Neither is the One and only True God. That too shall
come to an end shortly.
Joshua 24:15
15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day
whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were
on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose
land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
KJV
How about you?
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Reading these Bible studies off-line; and also: "Women's
Liberation" movement is against God
A (female) Reader Writes:
Hi There!
I have enjoyed your
website so far. Is there a book that included all
information you shared in the website? It is impossible
for me to print everything as it will used up printer
ink.
I don't like the word
"watchmen" as it sounds like men are above women. I
think you should change the word from watchmen to
watchpeople. :-)
Hi there, Xxxxx. At one time I offered the whole
Website on CD-Rom, but there was no interest in it, so I left off of the
project (it tales time to reformat the pages so that the hyperlinks open
within the CD-Rom instead of going to the Internet; and I also wanted to
revise and update all the included studies―very
time intensive, to say the least!). Because of the
size of the Website now, I would have to go to DVD-Rom. But nobody
bought one, so I stopped working on it. I think that I was charging
something like $10.00 delivered, for my time, materials, and
postage. So it wasn't the amount of money (I don't think)―people
just didn't want it.
However, there is a solution to your dilemma: you
can save each Webpage into your browser, and then read it of-line
without having to print it. Consult your browser on how to store and
view Webpages off-line.
Regarding where you state:
"I don't like the word "watchmen"
as it sounds like men are above women."
Well, women can watch too; but, Xxxxxx, according to
God's Word, men are above women. Did you
somehow miss this in your studies, did someone teach you something
contrary to the Scriptures, or do you simply for personal reasons object
to it to the point of rejecting it? Or, were you just kidding? If you
were serious, because perhaps certain pastors teach women rebellion,
then please see the below:
Genesis 3:16-17
16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow
and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children;
and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule
over thee.
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the
voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I
commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the
ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of
thy life; KJV
1 Corinthians 11:1-3
11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and
keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ;
and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ
is God. KJV
Ephesians 5:20-25
20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in
the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto
the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is
the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the
wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the
church, and gave himself for it; KJV
"Women's Lib" is not of God, it is of satan and his
minions on the earth today; it is designed not to "free" women, but
rather to destroy God's ordained gender roles―thus
destroying the family unit until we have a whole society of single
mothers like we do, raising undisciplined hell-raising kids like we do,
fathered by absentee dads like we do (not much more than "sperm donors"
anymore)―ever more godless one
generation to the next.
The above was spoken of almost
prophetically at the onset of the "Women's Suffrage Movement,"
which eventually led to "Women's Liberation" (you've got to just
love those nicey-nice "fair-sounding" names), which eventually became
the modern-day Feminist/Lesbian/Abortion/Divorce/Revolving-Bedpartners
phenomenon. That's how they "freed" women.
Observe:
Source:
Women's Suffrage. From Grolier's
Encyclopedia Americana:
"...It was also believed that women's place was
in the home, caring for husband and children. Entry of women
into political life, it was feared, challenged the assignment of
women to the home and might lead to disruption of the
family. . . . Women in the United States and Canada were
enfranchised relatively early (1920 and 1918, respectively)"
Ya think? "might lead
to disruption of the family"?!? They were right about that,
weren't they? Perhaps God knew what He was doing all along when He
assigned men and women their respective rolls:
Titus 2:3-5
3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh
holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of
good things;
4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their
husbands, to love their children,
5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to
their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
KJV
Find one of those above, verse
4 & 5 diamonds in the rough, and you've really found something valuable
and holy, a true gift from God to a man and his children! That, my
fellow men reading this, is what you were supposed to get.
Instead, all we seem to find is... well... what they have become
today. Not that we deserve any better.
We men are not without guilt in all of this―far
from it! And while it is true (but not popular to point out) that
satan, through his minions on this earth, have changed (not all, but) a
great many of our women―God's
daughters, mind you―even professing
Christians―into not much more than
disrespectful, disobedient, loose-women and murderesses.
Disrespectful, because they dump their husbands and "lovers" faster
than they replace the washing machine; disobedient, because they
don't know their place and seek to usurp the God-given authority of the
man over the woman; loose, because the average woman of age is
into the double-digits as far as number of "lovers"; and murderesses
because 43% of women will have killed their first child by the time they
reach age 45―that's almost half of
all women―half! This all is
not of God, my friends; it is of satan. Yet, we esteem
ourselves to be "good people."
¼ of all pregnancies in America are terminated by
abortion
“48 percent of pregnancies among American women are
unintended, and ½ of these are terminated in abortion. . . . An
estimated 43 percent of women will have at least 1
abortion by the time they are 45 years old. . . . Each year, an
estimated 46 million abortions occur world-wide…”
― The Allan Guttmacher Institute.
But how many of us men can
honestly say that we live up to our part in the below Scripture?
The Way That God Had Intended It
Ephesians 5:20-25
20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in
the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of
God.
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto
the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the
head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the
wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the
church, and gave himself for it; KJV
And what did we do to stop our
women's fall? "Stop it"? Nay, we encouraged it!
We took them out, and all we did was try to get sex, more sex, and
nothing but sex; we didn't act like Bible-model men in our relationships
and marriages whereby they might have stayed with us; we didn't offer
them a stable and financially secure home environment whereby they could
stay home and raise our families; and when they became pregnant WITH OUR
CHILDREN, we sent them off to the abortion clinic, oftentimes footing
the bill. So, for our sin, we have what we
now have. Man was supposed to lead women, but we didn't lead, we
let satan and his earthly minions lead our women astray―and
we "love to have it so" (Jer 5:31b).
Us both, men and women of today―all
of us―would do well to rightly muse
with the Psalmist: "I have gone astray like a lost
sheep; seek thy servant; for I do not forget thy commandments."
(Psalms 119:176). How far we have fallen,
both men and women! And I'm not judging anyone; for, I am guilty
myself. None of us claim total innocence, we have all at one time
or another done our part in this tragedy. The difference is, is
that I know it, and have repented of it. How about you? Men,
have you treated your wives and women with the care and love that Christ
treated the church with? Women, have you respected and honored
your husbands and men as the Lord has commanded you? No, we "All
we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way"
(Isaiah 53:6a). And now look at our later end! We all in one
fashion or another allowed the wicked one and his servants of vice and
evil to corrupt our hearts into disobedience against our Maker and
Master, the Great and Only Lord God. "An
enemy hath done this." (Mat 13:28b). Women's "Liberation" was all a
part of satan's plan, carried out by his servants (no-name-necessary)
living among us today. The concept of the "Women's Liberation
Movement," while craftily dressed-up in a fine sounding name, is
foreign and contrary to the Holy Scriptures of God. Sorry if any women
doesn't like that; but let them take it up with God when they meet Him.
I'm sure that He will value their input and correction greatly. :o)
But He shall judge them by His written Word,
regardless.
Mankind (men and women) have
always rebelled against their God; so then, is it any great wonder that
at the end of the world women would also rebel against their men―and
shortly after that the children against their parents?
It's another sign of the times. But today's women aren't the first
to fall down―remember Eve with the
serpent (especially if you know
What was the Real
sin in the garden of Eden). Eve was the first
"Liberated Woman." Seeking to be "free" to do as she pleased, she
was "liberated" from eternal life: "And the woman
said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the
garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the
garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch
it, lest ye die." (Gen 3:2-3). Hopefully she was
reunited with eternal life in the end: "Notwithstanding
she shall be saved in childbearing , if they continue in
faith and charity and holiness with sobriety." (1 Tim 2:15).
God knows.
Women today think that "Women's
Liberation" is harmless fun; they enjoy the taste of open rebellion and
lust to do whatever
feels good whenever it feels good; not realizing that by their direct
disobedience to the oracles of God they have themselves become pawns in satan's usurpation of God's structured, ordered, and natural world.
Then teaching this same rebellion and wantonness to their daughters,
thus taking every generation that shall follow them down deeper than
they themselves in their generation have fallen. Biblically, God
assigns women to have the greater responsibility in matters sexual,
because it is within their bodies that He fashions His beloved children.
And no, it is
anything but harmless fun; as they shall find out on that last
Great Day from the Master Himself (Rev 20:11-12).
Peace to you in Christ Jesus. And watch, watchmen,
watch!
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and not surprisingly, the "female reader" who wrote in the above question
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Is loyalty to pastor more important than loyalty God?
A (male) Reader Writes:
Et Tu Nick?
Hello my friend, I've written to you before. I've always respected
the
way thus far that you've been able to come to your own conclusions
while
still showing respect for the good Pastor from Arkansas. Please
don't
tell me you're headed down the road I think you may be going down.
I've seen a lot of long time students come to a point where they
realize
that the good Pastor from Arkansas is not 100% correct in every
conclusion he makes. He has never claimed infallibility and
constantly
reminds people to do their homework and think for themselves. I've
seen
a lot of these longtime students come to almost hate the Pastor
from
Arkansas once they come to this realization that he is indeed
fallible.
In fact, it's pretty obvious that the realization that the Pastor
from
Arkansas is not perfect was a huge factor in Lance Knight going
nuts. I
heard that first broadcast when he "turned". He was inferring that
the
good Pastor from Arkansas was the antichrist, while at the same time
still using the good pastor's mannerisms (like "put it on the
shelf").
It's like he just couldn't handle the fact that the Pastor from
Arkansas
wasn't perfect, and of course he had plenty of help to formulate his
new
doctrine.
I love and respect you my brother and I really hope that you were
just
blowing off some steam, and you are not headed down that same road
as
I've seen some longtime students go. It's good to be discerning,
and to
seperate yourselves from false doctrine, but you can seperate
yourself
to the point where you are the only one left! If we start cutting
ourselves off from Pastor's like the good one in Arkansas, who is
left?
I'm not neccessarily directing that at you, I just keep seeing some
longtime students (many who are female) seperate themselves to the
point
to where they've become elitists.
Now, regarding Rahab. I agree with you [Was Rahab
(Joshua 2:1, etc.) really a prostitute?]. I also agree with your
opinions regarding women and their place in the body of Christ.
It's
also sort of ironic that the women that the Pastor from Arkansas has
gone out of his way to exhort have caused him a lot of grief in
these
online forumns and e-mail groups. However, I honestly do not think
that Pastor Murray is knowingly tickling ears or knowningly trying
to or
add to scripture. I think he genuinely believes that women are sold
short in a lot of instances, and he genuinely believes that Rahab
was
not a harlot. I beleive he's wrong, but sincere.
Anyway, again I hope you were just blowing off steam and not headed
in
the direction of elitism. I hope you understand the spirit in which
I
write this. I'm just a little concerned.
One more thing... Awhile back (when your site went down breifly, my
question was probably lost in the shuffle) I asked you a question
about
the tares. I asked why Christ seemed to acknowledge that the tares
were
children of Abraham in John 8:37.... After much meditation I think I
may
know the answer....
As you have pointed out, people are rarely 100% anything in terms of
race. For example, I am part Irish, part German, and possibly part
Scottish. Most likely the tares that Christ was addressing were
mixed
as well. They may have had some Israelite blood in them, but mostly
their lineage was non-Israelite. What do you think?
God Bless!
Answer:
Well, how are you? I
don't recognize your E-mail address, but that's okay. I will take your
letter in the spirit of constructive criticism, and not attack.
Which is somewhat hard to do, what with your opening line of, "Et Tu Nick?"
For those who do not recognize the Greek phrase, it was Caesar's dying words
to his trusted friend, Brutus, upon discovering his participation in his
assassination. The whole phrase is et tu Brute," meaning "even
you, Brutus?", as documented in the
New Dictionary of
Cultural Literacy (Third Edition. 2002):
Et tu, Brute?
(et TOOH
BROOH-tay) A Latin
sentence meaning “Even you, Brutus?” from the play Julius Caesar,
by William Shakespeare. Caesar utters these words as he is being
stabbed to death, having recognized his friend Brutus among the
assassins.
‡ “Et tu, Brute?” is used to express
surprise and dismay at the treachery of a supposed friend.
So, to disagree with pastor Murray
now makes me a betrayer in your eyes? Nevertheless, I will overlook that,
and move to the substance of your critique, for much teaching can be based
upon it. You said:
"I love and respect you my brother and I really hope
that you were just
blowing off some steam, and you are not headed down that same road
as
I've seen some longtime students go. It's good to be discerning,
and to
seperate yourselves from false doctrine, but you can seperate
yourself
to the point where you are the only one left! If we start cutting
ourselves off from Pastor's like the good one in Arkansas, who is
left? "
Regarding me going down the Lance
Knight road; don't worry, this is not possible. Lance Knight (and his
followers) went over to satan's side. I work for God, as should all
good Christians. Nobody (that I know of) has done more to expose Lance
Knight's heresies than I. So much so that I was afraid that it was
beginning to look like I had some kind of personal vendetta against the guy
(I don't). So how could you even allude to me becoming as he?
That was a low blow, fella. See our:
Regarding "cutting ourselves off
from Pastor's like the good one in Arkansas": I have never
advocated anyone "cutting themselves off" from pastor M. In fact, I
have stated that he is the best one out there. But I have also stated
that there are some areas where I feel that he strays from the Scriptures.
I then present my case Scripturally and ask the reader to decide for
him/herself what is the truth of the matter. Is there another way that
you would have me to do it?
You said:
"Now, regarding Rahab. I agree with you. I also
agree with your
opinions regarding women and their place in the body of Christ. "
Then what exactly is your problem
here with me? For you know that on the above two topics that you
mentioned, pastor M. is in direct contradiction with his teachings on the
matters. Shouldn't you be sending him an E-mail of correction?
(The reader references our
Was Rahab (Joshua
2:1, etc.) really a prostitute?, and
"Suffer not a woman
to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man," was God just kidding?,
etc. questions & answers)
You said:
"However, I honestly do not think
that Pastor Murray is knowingly tickling ears or knowningly trying
to or
add to scripture."
You refer to my statement in
Was Rahab (Joshua
2:1, etc.) really a prostitute?, where I state:
"...Regarding what "certain" pastors say, I
would ask you, where in the Bible do you read that she
[Rahab the harlot] was a "cloth
merchant," or a "dyer of purple cloth"? Or where do
you read that she "was just a excellent business woman who
made the finest cloth, and that the silly men just called her a
harlot because they were jealous that they couldn't manage to
make as good of cloth as her"? You won't find that between
the covers of the Bible, it isn't in my Bible, anyway.
And if Rahab wasn't [a] harlot, and if God
allowed error into His written Word (God forbid), five times
calling this woman a prostitute when she wasn't; then also the
below women are not harlots [the harlots
mentioned in Matthew 21:31, Matthew 21:32, Luke 15:30, 1
Corinthians 6:15-16 ], but are rather "cloth makers" with
a keen business savy. You get the point. ....
...It is never right to contradict the Word of God,
it is never right to add to the Scriptures, it is never right to say
that what is in the Bible is a lie―no
matter how much you desire to tickle the ears of your female
congregants. Once you start chopping out what you personally find
objectionable in the Bible, you then find yourself on a very
slippery slope. The Word is often hard, and we must take it as it
is delivered: ..."
I stand by the above.
You
said:
"I think he genuinely believes that women are sold
short in a lot of instances, and he genuinely believes that Rahab
was
not a harlot. I beleive he's wrong, but sincere."
Sure he's sincere; but that doesn't
make a wrong, right. He believes that Rahab was not a harlot because
he doesn't want to believe that she was. What does that matter to us?
Everybody has a threshold.
You said that: "I think he
genuinely believes that women are sold short in a lot of instances".
Okay, so too does the Bible, and God has a very good reason for it.
Your problem, my friend, is with God, not with me.
Genesis 3:16-17
16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy
conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire
shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice
of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee,
saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in
sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; KJV
Contrary to what some might wish,
God never rescinded this pecking order: God, Jesus Christ, man, woman, and
lastly, child; and after that the animal kingdom. The husband is over the wife, he is more, and she is
less; that is undisputable:
Ephesians 5:20-25
20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the
name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
21 Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is
the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the
wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church,
and gave himself for it; KJV
And just so that some Feminist
heretic can't say that it was only Apostle Paul, with his own
imaginations, who put women into their place (and satan does have them saying
this), let's hear from Apostle Peter as well on the matter:
1 Peter 3:5-7
5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted
in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own
husbands:
6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose
daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with
any amazement.
7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving
honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being
heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.
KJV
I am suddenly getting a lot of
Feminist-based questions/comments. I wonder why that is. Anyway,
in all things the Bible must be our final authority, regardless of how much
we may admire any pastor or Bible teacher. If what any man or woman
says does not align with what God says in His Bible, we must reject man and
follow God―no matter how
painful that may be to anyone.
Acts 5:29
29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey
God rather than men. KJV
On his "Women of the Bible" tape
(tape #760. Date: 1996), the good pastor says that the below Scripture:
1 Corinthians 14:34
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches : for it is not permitted
unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as
also saith the law. KJV
is not speaking of women, but of ALL PEOPLE, male and
female. He then goes on to say (I'm paraphrasing) how he won't
tolerate anyone, male or female chattering in his church. He says that the
"keep silence" means don't be chattering while the preacher is teaching (so
as not to disrupt the services). He says that Paul wasn't saying that
women shouldn't teach, but that all people (not just women) shouldn't
make noise while church is being held. Does that work for you, friend?
If so, read the above verse in context with the verse
following it:
1 Corinthians 14:34-35
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not
permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under
obedience, as also saith the law.
[Gen 3:16, Numbers chpt. 30, etc.]
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their
husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the
church. KJV
Now, unless God ordained gay
marriage, those who were to "keep silence" in
the churches were specifically females, because men don't have "husbands
at home" (yet).
You get the point. The verse
means that women aren't supposed to be leading in churches, and that if they
do not understand something that they are to ask their husbands at home.
The husband is responsible for the religious teaching tin the family (though
I know we don't do so well). And actually, verse 35 above goes even
further, women aren't even supposed to speak in the churches, much less
stand at a pulpit teaching in one.
In that whole tape ("Women of the Bible" tape
#760. Date: 1996) the good pastor makes many leaps and takes many things for
granted. Concerning Deborah, he alludes that because Deborah was asked
to accompany Barak on a military campaign, that somehow women are now to be
head over the male. Many other such leaps did he make. What he
failed to point out in the Deborah incident is that what happened was
unnatural, and that Deborah herself noted that Barak would suffer shame
because he turned to a woman to lead (actually to accompany):
Judges 4:8-9
8 And Barak said unto her, If thou wilt go with me, then I will go: but
if thou wilt not go with me, then I will not go.
9 And she said, I will surely go with thee: notwithstanding the
journey that thou takest shall not be for thine honour; for the
LORD shall sell Sisera into the hand of a woman. And Deborah
arose, and went with Barak to Kedesh. KJV
And the woman that Deborah was
referring to in, "for the LORD shall sell Sisera into
the hand of a woman", was not herself, she was referring to another
woman, Jael, who killed the enemy leader Sisera:
Judges 4:17-21
17 Howbeit Sisera fled away on his feet to the tent of Jael the wife of
Heber the Kenite: for there was peace between Jabin the king of Hazor
and the house of Heber the Kenite.
18 And Jael went out to meet Sisera, and said unto him, Turn in, my
lord, turn in to me; fear not. And when he had turned in unto her into
the tent, she covered him with a mantle.
19 And he said unto her, Give me, I pray thee, a little water to drink;
for I am thirsty. And she opened a bottle of milk, and gave him drink,
and covered him.
20 Again he said unto her, Stand in the door of the tent, and it shall
be, when any man doth come and inquire of thee, and say, Is there any
man here? that thou shalt say, No.
21 Then Jael Heber's wife took a nail of the tent, and took an hammer in
her hand, and went softly unto him, and smote the nail into his temples,
and fastened it into the ground: for he was fast asleep and weary. So he
died. KJV
You can't teach the above as a
doctrine of "feminine equality" in the Bible; that just isn't what it was
teaching―quite the contrary. What
happened was used as a negative example―Barak
didn't trust God, he trusted in God's prophetess instead. Yes, Deborah
was a prophetess, and a married woman; she spoke God's words. When God
can't find a fit faith-filled man to lead, He will turn to a woman―to
the shame of Israel His people.
Judges 4:4-6
4 And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel
at that time.
5 And she dwelt under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel
in mount Ephraim: and the children of Israel came up to her for
judgment.
6 And she sent and called Barak the son of Abinoam out of
Kedesh-naphtali, and said unto him, Hath not the LORD God of
Israel commanded, saying, Go and draw toward mount Tabor, and
take with thee ten thousand men of the children of Naphtali and of the
children of Zebulun? KJV
Numerous times on that tape he calls certain women in the Bible―preachers―to the great applauds
and hoots of the females in the audience; when the Bible says no such thing.
He also mocked other preachers who held to the patriarchal (male dominant)
mood of the Bible―to the giggles and
laughter of the female congregants in the background. Inciting an
entire church full of women to rebellion. How many marriages have
failed in that church, I wonder? I've "butted heads" with more than a
few female SCN students (mostly on female owned and run unauthorized
"Shepherds Chapel" talk forums)―new
feminists to the one. I even once lost a Christian girlfriend over
this insurrection.
On that same tape the good pastor
stated of the below:
Acts 21:8-11
8 And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came
unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist,
which was one of the seven; and abode with him.
9 And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did
prophesy.
10 And as we tarried there many days, there came down from Judaea a
certain prophet, named Agabus.
11 And when he was come unto us, he took Paul's girdle,
and bound his own hands and feet, and said, Thus saith the Holy Ghost,
So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man that owneth this girdle, and
shall deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles. KJV
that these four women were preachers, and that Phillip sent
them out when the "best preaching" was needed. The pastor added all
that to verse nine above―which says no
such thing―all to the awe of the female
congregants who could be heard in the background sounding off approvingly.
Get the tape for yourself and listen; it's only $5.00. That whole tape is flawed doctrine constituting addition to the Scriptures.
Sorry, but that is the truth of the matter. The tape should be
withdrawn, it is an embarrassment to an otherwise fine Christian ministry. And I happen to like the good pastor.
And no, I do not hate women―I just would
that they kept their God-given place. The Western Christian Nation's
family-unit is all but in total ruins over this Feminist garbage―how
far will it go? How much further down can it go?
The main argument used by the
closeted Feminists in the Christian churches is that "it would have been
unfair of God to make women less than men, or to make men more than women."
These sort show their ignorance for God's Word, contempt for His judgments,
and rebellion against His precepts:
Romans 9:14-23
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God
forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but
of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have
I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name
might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will
he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath
resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God?
Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me
thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make
one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known,
endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to
destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels
of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, KJV
None of us know what we did in the
First Earth Age, nor why we are formed as we are formed in this Second Earth
Age. (For the Three Earth Ages, see our:
When was Thee
beginning?). Why is one born male, the other female?
Why is one born blind, the other whole? Why is one born into a Muslim
family/nation, and the other into a Christian family/nation? That is
God's providence, "who art thou that repliest against
God?" (Romans 9:20b) or who is any of us to ask, "Is
there unrighteousness with God?" (Roms 9:14b).
"They" (the so-called "Christian Feminists") say that it is
unfair that God:
Genesis 3:16
16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy
conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire
shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
KJV
Or that the below was unfair of God:
Ephesians 5:22-25
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the
Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the
head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the
wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and
gave himself for it; KJV
So what! It matters not what
"they" think. No, not one wit! Get over it, you are what
you are. Start acting like it, please. Thank you. "Shall
the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?"
(Rom 9:20b). God knows what He is doing; women, quit
rebelling, to your own hurt.
You said:
"I asked why Christ seemed to acknowledge that the
tares were
children of Abraham in John 8:37.... After much meditation I think I
may
know the answer....
As you have pointed out, people are rarely 100% anything in terms of
race. For example, I am part Irish, part German, and possibly part
Scottish. Most likely the tares that Christ was addressing were
mixed
as well. They may have had some Israelite blood in them, but mostly
their lineage was non-Israelite. What do you think?"
Yes, you are correct. That is also
what John the Baptist was referring to when he said:
Matthew 3:7-9
7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his
baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you
to flee from the wrath to come?
8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our
father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to
raise up children unto Abraham. KJV
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