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QUESTION LIST; Page Number 56
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  1. Catholic Radio buckles to Int. Judaic pressure?

  2. Eve's twins by impregnation of the serpent (satan) and then Adam is found later, in corrupted form, in the Greek Mythologies

  3. What is Hell?  Is it the end?

  4. New endtime Christians being tossed to and fro by so-called preachers and teachers of God

  5. A tongues-talker defends the practice

  6. What does the Bible say (and not say) on Marijuana use?

  7. The non-Politically-Correct truth about race in Welfare abuse

  8. To which false "Christians" shall Jesus say: "I never knew you: depart from me" (Mt 7:23)?

  9. Traditional Women's Christian Bible study groups.  Marriage: the Biblical formulae.  Also, on using WBSG materials

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Question #1

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Catholic Radio buckles to Int. Judaic pressure?

A reader writes:

Hi Nick, I'm new to your site and wanted to read about the truth of the davinci code and the  page is missing.  Do you know how I can find it?  Thanks a lot, [Xxxxxxx]
 

Answer:

Hello.  Thank you for letting me know that Catholic Radio pulled down the interview (we had originally linked to their site to offer the interview from their server).  It is not surprising that they pulled it, what is surprising (to me) was that Catholic Radio even carried the interview at all (!), as the Catholic Church has been long infiltrated and controlled by the International Judaics.

    As to the reason that they pulled this revealing and startlingly honest interview we cannot know.  But after listening to it, it doesn't take a whole lot of imagination to figure out the reason why they pulled it down.

    And as I have always encouraged the readers at WBSG to archive (save) any articles that they feel might be "disappeared" when the International Judaic's censors discover them, I have likewise archived a copy of this interview.  Therefore, since the Catholic Radio Website has chosen to "disappear" this important interview, I have put it up on WBSG's server.  I hope that since we are one of the very few sites that host this interview that it doesn't eat-up our monthly bandwidth allotment.  But if it does crash our site please let me know and I will purchase a higher bandwidth package to handle the load on our server.  Below is that same interview, now feeding from our server:

    I have also corrected and repointed all the links on WBSG that go to this interview, so as to pull from our server.

    Note:  WBSG does not support nor agree with the Catholic dogma that is mentioned in this interview peripherally.

    Thank you for the heads-up!

    Peace to you in Christ Jesus.
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Eve's twins by impregnation of the serpent (satan) and then Adam is found later in corrupted form in the Greek Mythologies

 

A reader writes:

I just found your site and have enjoyed what I have read so far. I do have some information that might be of interest to you. You stated that Cain and Abel were 'fraternal' twins and that proves they had different fathers. Fraternal means only that they were conceived at different times. A woman can conceive by her husband and possibly conceive a second time in the same ovulation period. Those would be fraternal twins, but of the same father.

When a woman has sex with two different men within that same ovulation cycle and becomes pregnant by both, that is called Heteropaternal Superfecundation. It is rare, but does occur. I have 15 years of medical experience and I know this for a fact. I agree with your teachings on the two seedlines except for the fraternal twin issue. Anyone in the medical field should know better, so if you were told that by an 'expert' they missed a few days in medical class. [Xxxxxxxx]


Answer:

Hi.  Thank you for the technical info.  It seems that there are many different kinds of twins, and that it is all very complicated.  But the main point is not lost in the use of the layman term "fraternal twins."  Thank you for the follow-up and clarification information. 

    A quick Google search on the medical term that you supplied (Heteropaternal Superfecundation), which I had heard of before but can never remember the long name, revealed something very interesting.  Specifically, look at the last section of the below excerpt titled “Use in Mythology”.

 

The article excerpt: 

Superfecundation

 

Superfecundation is the fertilisation of two or more ova from the same cycle by sperm from separate acts of sexual intercourse. The term is also sometimes used to refer to the instances of two different males fathering fraternal twins, though this is more accurately known as heteropaternal superfecundation. This therefore leads to the possibility of twins also being half-siblings.

 

Conception

 

Superfecundation most commonly happens within hours or days of the first instance of fertilisation with ova released during the same cycle. Ovulation is usually suspended during pregnancy to prevent further ova becoming fertilised and to help increase the chances of a full term pregnancy. However, if an ovum is released after the female was already impregnated when previously ovulating, there is a chance of a second pregnancy -- albeit at a different stage of development. This is known as superfetation. 

 

Heteropaternal superfecundation

 

Heteropaternal superfecundation is very rare in humans, though more common in other animals. This is primarily due to the predominance of 1:1 heterosexual partner pairings among humans. A woman who has sexual relations with two or more men at short intervals within the same ovulatory period can be impregnated by both men.

 

There have been noted examples in the past. The classic case, which is discussed in Williams Obstetrics (1980), was recorded in 1810 by John Archer, the first doctor to receive a medical degree in the United States. According to Archer, a white woman who had sex with a black man and a white man within a short time subsequently gave birth to twins--one white, one bi-racial. Other cases have been reported since.

 

Use in Mythology

 

In Ancient Greek Mythology, Heracles and his twin, Iphicles, are examples of heteropaternal superfecundation, one from the god Zeus and the other from a mortal man. — Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfecundation (last modified 02:15, 23 October 2006.)

    Now, if one understands that all mythology is a perversion of the ancient truths, (just as the Babylonian Creation Account, which has swayed the faith in the Bible of many "Christians" because it was written before the Bible was begun in circa 1490 b.c., is a perversion of what really happened as outlined in the Bible book of Genesis, carried East by a dejected Cain and corrupted in spite against God)  then the mention of a human woman fathering twins, one of the twins sired by a human father and the other twin's father being a “god,” then you have the Garden of Eden event between the serpent (satan), Eve, and Adam, preserved in mythology, albeit in a corrupted form.  Understanding that since satan (the serpent) was a supernatural being, he would have been by the ancients thought of as a god; Eve and Adam of course considered humans.  Very interesting collateral documentation for the two-seedline teaching!

 

    Also of note is that Cain, after being rejected of God and cast out, went on to found the religion that the Babylonians would come to follow, making gods of Adam, Eve, and the serpent (satan) in the personages of Anu, Ea, and Bel. — Chapter XVI "The Babylonian Priests", Sargon the Magnificent. Mrs. Sydney Bristowe. pg. 57.  We offer a free on-line version (E-book) at SARGON THE MAGNIFICENT.

 

    Equally of note is that the religion of Babylon is the basis for modern-day Judaism, as contained in their Babylonian Talmud, and not the Old Testament of the Holy Bible as commonly mistaken.  The Old Testament religion of Israel/Judah being corrupted during the captivity in Babylon, and then again later after the "Jews" returned to Babylon setting up Talmudic academies after the sacking of Jerusalem and the razing of the Temple of God in a.d. 69-70 by the Roman General Titus.  A little known (suppressed) fact is that the world center for Jewry between the years a.d. 70 and circa a.d. 740 was Babylon.  From there till the eleventh century a.d. the "Jews" were located in Khazaria, adding exponentially to their numbers by the assimilation of the Turko-Mongoloid Khazars who converted from Phallic Worship to Talmudic Judaism.  From there they migrated into Eastern Europe on to Europe generally, usurping the title of the Biblical peoples and calling themselves the "Jews," "God's chosen race."  Never has there been a greater lie than that the "Jews" of today are the Israel people of the Bible.  Not having any family relation to the Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob of the Bible, but rather being the blood descendants of Turko-Mongoloid Khazars who migrated into what is today South-Western Russia from the East (that Jesus warned the Apostles not to go to), who worshipped the erect male member as a god, as the giver of life (they were a Phallic Worship cult, which explains the sexual degeneracy and pedophilia of the Jewish Talmud).  Homosexual Pedophilia (male-on-male adult-on-child sex) is common (though hidden) in all false and corrupted religions; mainly, Judaism, Islam, and Catholicism.  Yes, I can document that.     

    Peace to you in Christ Jesus.
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What is Hell?  Is it the end?

 

A reader writes:
I've read through all your studies about the state of
the dead. Thanks for all that work.

Something still confuses me. I read in many places
that souls either go to heaven or are cast into hell
after they die. If so, what is the Final Judgement
for? Have people been pre-judged before the Final
Judgement? Doesn't that make the Final Judgement a
pointless excercise?

Thanks for any clarification.


Answer:

Hi, thank you for the kind word, and I hope that you doing well.  The problem is that man has assigned alternate meanings to many of the words and concepts in the Bible—then, based upon "our" modern day understanding of a thing (or word)—we read that (errant) definition into the Holy writ.  Let's just focus on our word (and term) "hell."

    In the Bible, "Hell" is metaphoric for the eternal assignment of the damned.  And "hell" literally is the grave, the last repository of man's flesh upon this earth.

Hell:  Greek word #86  haides (hah'-dace); from NT:1 (as negative particle) and NT:1492; properly, unseen, i.e. "Hades" or the place (state) of departed souls:  KJV - grave, hell.

    Remember that it was said of Jesus in prophecy that God would not leave his soul in hell?  Well, this wasn't speaking of Jesus being in "hell," as we reckon hell to be today; but rather that He was in the tomb.  And that His body was not left there—He ascended into Heaven.

Acts 2:25-32 [quoting Psm 16:10]
25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell [self in the grave], neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption [decomposition].
28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell [body not left in the tomb], neither his flesh did see corruption [decomposition].
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.  KJV

    Literally, hell is the grave, it is the state of being dead.  When we die, we go into the grave.  The Bible expresses that as going "into hell."  However, that is literally; but the Bible also uses for illustration that hell is were the wicked are.  Because the wicked do not get to rise into eternal life.  Therefore, they ever remain in hell, which is to stay that they never leave the grave, per se.  In other words, it is God's way of saying that if you don't "make it," if you don't overcome, then you shall never taste of eternal life because you are to be the eternal dead—metaphorically you do not leave the place of the dead, for, you are the dead.

    That is why when the Bible illustrates this sad consequence of the unsaved, it always employs the term "eternal torments," "eternal...".  That is taken by man's frail logic as meaning something along the lines of "eternal torture chamber," but that is not at all the case.  Nor does the Bible imply "eternal flesh pain and torture" when it uses the term "hell."  That is just how we can understand the severity of it, and that is why God used the term so, because our minds cannot now grasp the spiritual realm, wherein the overcomers shall bask in eternal presence of the Lord God, and the unsaved and damned shall ever be dead, eternally dead.

    The misapplication of the term (and concept) of "hell" has caused much confusion regarding endtime things and the millennium and the eternal Kingdom of Revelation chapter 21ff.  We commonly say to children: "If you are bad then you are going to go to hell."  But this is not accurate, for we all go into "hell" (we all die and are buried) if you take the term "hell" literally.  To be accurate, what we should say is:  "If you do not overcome at Judgment Day, if you are not saved, then you will go into the Lake of Fire at the end, and perish forever."

    Feel free to follow up if I have not been clear.  It is difficult to explain this.  If I were to "put it in a nutshell" I would say that "hell" is the representation of death, and eternal "hell" is the representation of one who shall never live again anymore—and that fate is eternal because it never can be overturned.  Hence, the Scriptures use the term "for ever and ever", etc. to focus upon the finality of it.

    Now, the Lake of Fire in the Bible is what we today think that "hell" is.  So, for every time that you think of the concept of "going to hell," just in your mind replace the word "hell" with Lake of Fire, and you will be right on track.

    That hell is not the final stop for the damned is easily documented from Scripture; for, in the below Scripture we see that even hell is cast into this Lake of Fire in the end.  So therefore, necessarily, "hell" cannot be the final fate of the evil and the damned because from hell they go into another place, they go into the Lake of Fire and are no more, ever again.  They are eternally dead.

    Below are the last five verses before the Bible moves into the eternity (which we commonly, and also somewhat confusingly, refer to as "going to Heaven").  After the below final verses of Revelation chapter twenty, Revelation chapter twenty-one shows us the world to come, the eternity, the glory of eternal life—us with God forever.  Observe that "hell" itself is done away with and yields itself obediently to the great and terrible Lake of Fire—the final destruction of all that offends God:

    Judgment Day:

Revelation 20:11-15
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second [final] death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.  KJV

    The next verse in the Bible begins the eternity, or as we today commonly refer to it, "Going to Heaven":

Revelation 21:1-8
21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.  KJV

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New endtime Christians being tossed to and fro by so-called preachers and teachers of God
 

A (new) reader wrote 19 E-mails yesterday objecting to many teachings here at WBSG (Watchmen Bible Study Group).  His E-mails offered no Scriptural support, but merely consisted of copy & pastes of other's articles.  His main points of contention were with any teachings that mentioned Kenites, or that Adam was not the father of the other races, and anything else that would offend a Judaic position.  The Judaics so hate the teaching of the existence of the Kenite because their prominent leaders are descendants of Cain (Kenites) as Christ declared to them before they murdered Him.  Anyway, below is our response:

Answer:

Are you a Jew or a Christian?  Or worse, a so-called Judeo-Christian, which is just a nicer term that what the Bible calls them—apostates? 

    You referenced an article (Where Did Cain Find His Wife? by Bruce Malone) which states that Cain married his sister and not a woman of the land of Nod.  The author basis his "proof" of "Biblical perspective" on Jewish fables and their "traditions" which make void the Word of God.  Quote from your attached article:

"Jewish tradition suggested that they [Adam & Eve] had 33 sons and 23 daughters! Cain merely married his sister.

The reason we don't realize this obvious answer is because we have been trained to believe things have always been the way they are today. The past, and the present, becomes far more understandable as we view it from a Biblical perspective. This viewpoint acknowledges that the past, has at times, been very different than the present." Where Did Cain Find His Wife? by Bruce Malone.

God's Word warns:

Mark 7:13
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your [Jews'] tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.  KJV
 

Titus 1:14-16
14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.  KJV

    If you are a Christian then get on the ball, please!  If you are a Jew (or the new non-Jewish "Jew," the so-called Judeo-Christian) then please just go away—we don't want any of your antichrist tripe here.  You will answer to God for your part in bringing to pass the great endtime apostasy—away from God and towards antichrist—written of in 2nd Thessalonians:

2 Thessalonians 2:1-4
2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away [apostasy] first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.  KJV

falling away:  Greek word #646  apostasia (ap-os-tas-ee'-ah); feminine of the same as NT:647; defection from truth (properly, the state) ["apostasy"]:  KJV - falling away, forsake.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

    From your onslaught of E-mails you also seem like a Kenneth Ham disciple.  (See our: "Creation Science" and Ken Ham's AiG Ministry (Answers in Genesis).)  He doesn't know diddly-squat about the Bible.  He is an agent for the you-know-who's.  He gains followers by piously saying that he "believes the Bible from the very first verse," then he goes on to change what it says and to corrupt it, and buy$ (with your money) for-hire so-called scientists to write articles favorable to Ham's teachings—thereby making all of his followers Biblically stupid and easy for the pickings.  I am very familiar with AnswersInGenesis' website work, and it is setting up the Bible to fall; for, Ken Ham twists what the Bible says into something that shall easily be shown to be error—then you "Answers In Genesis" people will lose all faith in the Bible, and the Bible's enemies will prevail.  Take away the trust in the Bible and the people shall easily fall away to whatever the conspirators replace it with.  That is the plan.  And you are nurse-maiding it along, wittingly or otherwise. 

   And yes, yes, yes; I know that you mean wella whole lot of you are going to have "meant well" when you realize that you helped to rear-up antichrist.  What shall be your fate then?  I prefer to let God do the judging on that one; for, He alone knows every little secret recess in your heart; nevertheless, it is quite clear that you shall be discomforted at that time (to put it mildly):

Luke 23:27-31
27 And there followed him a great company of people, and of women, which also bewailed and lamented him.
28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.
29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.
30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.
31 For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?  KJV

Revelation 6:12-17
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?  KJV

    Indeed, "who shall be able to stand?"

Luke 18:7-8
7 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?  KJV

    At the Second Advent of Messiah, shall He find true Christian faith on this Earth in any others other than His faithful (and persecuted) remnant?  Well, Jesus didn't answer His own above question so I am sure not going to hazard an answer.  How are you lining up, friend? 

    Peace in Christ Jesus. 

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Another E-mail From the above reader:

I had a dream a few months ago. I been asking God which church to go to (I only been saved since April) and in the dream I saw a man of god dressed in all black with the dog collar riding a bike but the man had no head. 

I think God was warning me to stay away from the churches. There are headless. 

Thanks,

[Xxxxxx]


Answer:

No, stay away from BAD churches, they all aren't bad.  I see that you are being driven away from the faith, and I know by who. 

    I am sorry that you are a new Christian in these end days, because I know what you are up against. 

    There is a controversy, a controversy for the souls of this world. 

    I know that you don't know me, and that if I say that you can trust what I teach that I would only be saying the same thing that even the false teachers say.  So I won't say that.  I will point you in the right direction and leave you with a prayer: 

Read the Bible, trust the Bible, pray to God to show you that which He desires you to know.  Only follow a teacher's teaching as long it aligns with the Bible's teaching.  Ask God to protect you from the lies of the false teachers.  Ask Him to help you in this weak time of yours.  And seal the prayer in Jesus Christ's precious and powerful name.  I pray that prayer along with you—in Jesus Christ's name.

    It's hard for new Christians today, I know.  I know that the enemies of God and man have bought-off most mainstream "Christian" teachers and preachers.  And it is only by the grace of God that any of us remain on that narrow path of true Biblical Christianity.

    Peace to you in Christ Jesus.
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Another E-mail From the above reader:

It is YOU who are breaking the Scriptures to fit your three Earth ages theory.

Answer:

Hello, unfortunately I do not have the time to debate back and forth with you.  I have Bible studies on all of these topics where I lay out my case Biblically.  I will here now just correct one of your legion of errors. 

    You said: "It is YOU who are breaking the Scriptures to fit your three Earth ages theory

    My "three Earth ages theory"?  What do you call this below?

2 Peter 3:1-13
3:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was [1st age], being overflowed with water, perished:
[this is not speaking of Noah's Flood—the world did not perish in the flood of Noah.  This is speaking of the Katabole in Gen 1:2.]
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now [2nd age], by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth [3rd age], wherein dwelleth righteousness.  KJV

    That isn't My "three Earth ages theory"; it is God's, in His Bible. 

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Another E-mail From the above reader [the last one that I am going devote precious time to here—just pray for this man]:

I don't trust any man. That includes you and myself.

Answer:

    That's a good start.  Now follow that up with believing what God wrote in His Bible and you will be on your way.

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Okay, one more: Another E-mail From the above reader

Now I know you are of your father the devil. 

2 Peter 3:6 is talking about the world wide flood that destroyed this earth approx. 4400 years ago. 

Hey if the flood was only local why did God tell Noah to build a huge boat and fill it full of animals if it was only going to be local? Why not just tell Noah to MOVE? 

Revelation 21:1 says this is still the first earth.


Answer:

I forgive you for calling me that because I know that you don't know what you are saying.  See our:

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A tongues-talker defends the practice

 

A reader writes:

Hello Nick Goggin,

My name is [Xxxxx Xxxxx].  I am a Russian who lived in America for 17 years.  My parents were christians from there young age.  My deepest concern is when you were teaching about "speaking in tongues".  I am a christian bought by the blood of Jesus Christ.  I go to a Church in [Xxxxxx] called Russian Full Gospel.  We believe in everything of the bible.  Everything.  I have to disagree with you when you said Christians babble something they don't know and in church.  I am not a charismate [Charismatic] and am against that.  So is our entire church.  We have prophesy that is tested in our church.  I don't know if you want to hear more but as a Christian I want to tell you something.  You said

"What is happening in the churches today is so far removed from the Scriptures that one could only suspect demonic influences.  Stop babbling, it is not of God!" 

That is not true.  We don't have dancing, clapping, holy laugher as they say, falling on the backs, that ALL IS NOT FROM GOD.  But we do talk in tongues.  I do.  I know it is the Holy Spirit and he fills me.  I read your article.  Very nicely put.  But I can tell you more if you would like.

My main point.  Read Mathew 12:31-32.  If you say that that is demonic possessions but if it is the Holy Spirit, I am sorry but you will never be forgiven. Never not in this era or in the next.  Be careful of what you say.  I know it is the Holy Spirit.  And we do have people who are truly possessed come to our church.  With the name of Jesus Christ we command them to leave.  Do you have that power.  You Do!  God gave it to everyone.  Last Chapter of Mark says it.

See my parents told me stories from Russia.  I know older people who told me the power of the Holy Spirit.  Mind you, I met these people in person.  No not a couple but many.

If you are interested we can still talk.  I know a lady in California who heard an audible voice.  She looked around and no one was there.  She took the hint that she should go to a church for help.  She went to a Catholic church.  The pope [priest] told here to confess her sins.  She said she didn't know how or for what.  But so she started thinking of what sins she had.  Just as she was going to say something, out of her mouth came words she did not know herself.  The pope yelled and kicked here out.  She said [asked] where should she go.  He told here to go to a gathering of people in a home.  Those people were Pentecostal, tongue speaking Christians.  Not Charismates [Charismatic],  but Christians.  This happened in USSR around 20 years ago.  I know this lady.  She is not the only example.  But fear the Lord.  What you said will not be forgiven to you forever.  I ask God he give you wisdom. 

I am against falling, laughter and whatever else that is not of the Holy Spirit.   But I believe in tongues.  I believe in gifts because they work in our church. Healings and prophesy, and interpretation of the tongues. 

I am interested in telling you more.  But if you don't that is ok.  But I fear as a true Christian, there is no forgiveness for what you have said.  We are not demon possessed and we are not making stuff up.  The problem is, is that you put that on the internet for all to see.  And anyone who reads it and believes your lie, we also not know the truth and all because of you. 

I hope God helps you and gives you wisdom.  Pray about it.  No honestly pray about it and you will know the truth,

God Bless,

[Xxxx Xxxxxxx]


Answer:

Don't worry, I have good spiritual discernment, I wouldn't call something that is of the Holy Spirit to be of Beelzebub.  When I see someone speaking in tongues I can see (feel) the evil spirits leaching out of them.  Look at this video, can't you sense the evil spirits in these children?:  Jesus Camp: Kids Worshipping to a George Bush Picture  I honestly didn't think that evil spirits could infect children so very young—until that is, I saw this video and felt their presence.  Learn something new every day, I suppose.  And I think that the negative side of the spiritual realm is going to intensify as we move forward into the Tribulation.

We can simply agree to disagree on this matter and still be Christian fellows. 

    And I wouldn't need a threat of non-forgiveness to keep me from lying about spiritual things.  I wouldn't lie about them even if I thought that I could "get away with it."  I don't lie about this stuff. 

    And I know that you feel a spiritual presence when you speak in tongues, but that doesn't mean that it is a good spirit.  Have you not read the warning below?  God wouldn't have included it in a Christian Bible if He didn't think that the evil spirits would be very tricky and deceptive:

1 John 4:1
4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.  KJV
 

2 Corinthians 11:13-15
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming [disguising] themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed [disguised] as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.  KJV

transformed(ing):  Greek word #3345  metaschematizo (met-askh-ay-mat-id'-zo); from NT:3326 and a derivative of NT:4976; to transfigure or disguise; figuratively, to apply (by accommodation):  KJV - transfer, transform (self).
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

    Perhaps you would listen better if a former tongues-talker stated that he felt evil spirits present when he practiced it.  I offer the below: 

    Below is an excerpt from our study: The Holy Spirit & The Holy Trinity with the testimonies of Christians that have "been there, seen this, done that."
 

The chance result of a skewed understanding of the Holy Spirit
The Danger Of Unhealthy 'spiritual' Visits by masquerading evil spirits

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        We mentioned earlier in this study that we would supply some personal testimonies of Christians who were exposed to lying spirits and demonic influences and left that church, and/or where once beguiled themselves by these evil spirits masquerading as the Holy Spirit, who 'came out' of these unhealthy 'phenomenon' that are racing through many Christian denominations like a wild-fire devouring anything holy and true in it's path, taking the Christian and spiritually beguiling him into some New Age psuedo-Christian religion.  

        Such has become of the phrase "Born Again Christian."  When most people hear the term "Born Again Christian," they think of those who participate in the bizarre spiritual manifestations we pointed out earlier, they see them on T.V. begging for money and forehead slapping people who fall backwards wailing and sobbing into strategically placed 'catchers' hands.  They seen Benny Hinn throwing the supposed Holy Spirit around like a laser beam, sometimes laughingly throwing the supposed Holy Spirit at them again knocking the person down a second time (as though once would not have been enough for the true Holy Spirit!) while they try to get up from the first anointing from the Abyss that Benny Hinn is delivering.  What a mockery to claim that this is of the Holy Spirit of God.  Does anyone really think that God would allow the Holy Spirit to be so irreverently handled!  The Holy Spirit of God is not something to defame; remember Simon (the Sorcerer) who was in grave danger for trying to 'buy' the Holy Spirit (Acts 8:18-24).  Shame on any Christian who has been a part of that, especially the Christians that finance this ungodly facade through their tithes and offerings.  "For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds." (II Jn 1:11).   

    Thus the word "Born Again" has been corrupted by satan and his evil spirits who have infiltrated the Baptist/Pentecostal/Charismatic/Word-Faith (Rapturists all) denominations just as deeply as they have infiltrated and corrupted the Roman Catholic Church.  For a study on the Rapture lie, see: The Rapture Theory; What Does God's Word Say About It?  

     Below is a Testimonial from a new reader of our Website.  After talking to her via e-mails, I asked her if she would mind sharing her Testimonial on the Website, as it might help others who may have gotten caught-up in the same trap the she, by the grace of God escaped from.  Below is her testimony, unedited, unaltered, EXCEPT for the underlining and emboldening of selected segments of text to draw the attention of the reader, and segmenting the e-mail into easier to read smaller paragraphs (a huge paragraph is hard to keep your place in).  Other than that the e-mail is exactly as I received it:

 

The Word of Faith Movement
 

Subj: Re: Thank-you

Date: 7/19/2003 9:07:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time

From: ----------- [As is our policy, name withheld by WBSG]

To: WatchmenBS@aol.com


Dear Mr. Goggin

I would be more than happy to share my testimony as requested. I will add that I have decided not to give the name of the church in which I was involved. I feel pretty much as [A fine Christian Pastor from Ark. - name withheld by WBSG] does about not using specific names or organizations etc. However, it was part of the word of faith movement. Many of the ministers who visited our congregation were names you might have heard.

When I first started attending this church I was hungry for the Word of God. I felt an intense desire to serve Him and be around others who felt the same. However, I was not grounded in Gods Word at all. I was at the time like other Christians, and had pretty much accepted teachings from others all of my life. Yes, I read the Bible, but in the concept of organized Bible studies. As you probably know, many of the Bible studies out there in Christiandom today may focus on only one verse, or skip around all over the Bible, not really reading the entire scripture surrounding a particular verse, therefore, things are taken totally out of context. I was even less than an infant in Christ. I was probably still in utero if you can imagine. However I still had a genuine love and hunger. 

I was attracted to this church because I thought I was seeing love for God and each others amongst the members. I also saw many different study groups, etc. and was excited to learn more. And in fact, God did allow me to grow closer and learn much while I was there. However, it did cause a few heads to roll. I would ask questions and challenge people as to where one concept or another that they were presenting was actually located in Gods word. Many times they were ill informed, and could not even find it there. Another words, the teachers and ministers were not even grounded in the Word. Their focus was more on the pentecoastal experience if you will. I guess my first feelings that things were not right occurred when I realized this. Even the pastor, it was obvious spent little time in Gods word other than preparing his weekly sermon, usually focused on one particular scripture. There was no actual deep verse by verse teaching, no one was really familiar with Gods word, or even where what they "believed" actually came from. They seemed to be more into that "ooey-gooey" feeling. Almost acting hypnotized. Our pastor was not a strong leader, and many people tried to "lead" resulting in chaos. There were many outside evangelists, etc. brought in and the pastor would turn the pulpit over to them quite frequently. This is when the evil happenings became obvious

First there was "the spirit of laughter". Some one in the congregation would start laughing without control, red faced, falling down on the ground, rolling, then another would do the same, eventually hundreds of people (I am not exagerating) would be rolling about in the sanctuary. I admit I laughed (in my seat) once myself. However, to me it was like the whole scene was hilarious. I am sure you have been in a situation when someone laughed, and it just seemed as though the laughter was catching. This was like that. I was embarrassed at the same time to see this happening to people I cared about. 

Here is an example of the animal sounds I talked about. The pastor was in front of a quiet congregation when suddenly a woman began howling like a dog. She started alternating between this howling and then started making hissing sounds like a cat, first jumping around the front of the sanctuary, then up and running around. The pastor told the congregation that she was releasing a demon spirit that had inhabited her since someone had treated her like a dog in the past. 

Another instance. Do you remember the movie titled The Karate Kid? Do you remember the posture the karate kid made when he was going to fight? Raising his arms up like a bird. This was a common occurance in this church towards the end of my time there. There were people who would take this posture and make blowing noises. There were also some women who would do something that looked like an epileptic seizure, falling under the pews, having to be pulled out by ushers and and taken to another room. These are only a few examples.

The money raising (tithes and offerings) got out of control. The congregation of this church was primarily made up of people who were not (how can I say) very wealthy at all. There was a constant request for money for a new building. Sometimes even construction equipment would appear, and people would rush in and give lots of money, but ground was never even broken. Still nothing had been done, even when I left. Many weeks pastor would have everyone throw their purses and wallets on the altar for prayers. Then after services everyone would go and retrieve their wallets. Many weeks pastor would put buckets on the altar telling everyone that there was a special offering, have the congregation march up to the altar and put money in the buckets. Those who did not go up front and put money in were obvious to everyone. The pastor would even jokingly say,"I hope someone wins the lottery this week and pays their tiths".

All of these things were not happening when I first became a member, but started happening gradually.

I was a part of the praise and worship team. Usually the church had attendance of about 1000 on a Sunday morning. I was one of five who led the praise and worship services. When the guest evangelists came I was also in the same position. There was one well known husband and wife "healing ministry" that would visit once a month for "healing services" I remember one man from the congregation who was brought to the front and told that his back problems were because he had one leg shorter than the other and that God was going to heal his short leg. He was told to hold his legs straight out while sitting in a chair. A lot of loud yelling, commanding God to heal him, pushing on his forehead, etc happened, and then the evangelist started yelling look, look, his leg is growing longer now!! I was standing above the man looking directly down on his leg. It was not growing. There was absolutely no change. However, everyone was rejoicing, claiming a healing.

Over a period of time, I felt more and more condemnation in my heart, I felt God telling me things were not right. One Sunday morning, some events very similar to the above were happening, I was singing in front of the congregation. An overwhelming sadness came over me. The condemnation grew very very strong. It was like God was letting me know that if I continued to sing on the praise and worship team, I was part of what was happening there. I was part of a web of deceit. It did not matter what my personal intentions were, He was showing me the problems and I needed to not be a part of it. I wasn't really thinking about what I was doing, but I dropped the mic beside me and quit singing. The pastor and some men ran up on the platform, laying hands on my forehead. Someone asked me to please continue (into my ear) as the service was being videotaped for television. I just could not. I stood there for probably only a minute or so (but it seemed much longer) and walked off the platform, and out the door, stopping only to get my purse. I am not certain, but I do not think that part of the service was put on television. I later in the week went to see the pastor, told him why I was leaving, and that was that.

Since that time, I have been sort of having my own "wilderness experience" of sorts. I have had a difficult time finding anything "right" with any congregation I have visited. Therefore, pretty much on my own. God has been good. The teaching has been wonderful. He has guided me, and put me where I am today. I still have a long way to go. It seems as though Gods Word is never ending. No matter how much I study and pray, I just keep on being shown more that I need to study and learn. However, my sights are set on Him, firmly ahead, not behind. Waiting for those God may place in my path, perhaps others caught up in the same thing.

I hope this letter is not too long, feel free to glean from it what you feel you can use. [WBSG NOTE: We used it all, thank-you for sharing!  Our prayer is that this Testimonial ends up on the computer screen of someone who is new in one of these beguiled churches, and through your story, themselves search deeper into what is going on around them.  May God keep you and Jesus bless you!]

In His Service

------------ [As is our policy, name withheld by WBSG]

 

 

      Below is a letter from a woman, whom we will leave unnamed, regarding her experience with the demonic Talking in Tongues, Slain in the Spirit, and Toronto Blessing experiences.  (We at WBSG feel that there is no need to embarrass anyone by posting their names.  Benny Hinn, in the above, and other public Ministers are a different case, for they deceive many and needs be exposed.  But the people below are lay Christians, individuals who should not be publicly shamed for sharing their witness).  (emphasis is added (bold italics) to highlight certain statements they made in the below):
 

"I have been to some really good churches where everyone was very friendly and nice but I ended up leaving these churches because these people were falling down, making animal noises, and in my opinion they were acting almost as if they were under a spell of some sort. I have never felt particularly comfortable with the practice.

One day some of the ladies invited me to fellowship at one of their houses and I was a fairly new christian at the time and not well grounded in the word.  After dinner, these same woman invited me to pray with them and they all started to pray in tongues which was alright but then they started to make animal noises and fall all over the place.  I was immediatly feeling a sense that something was very wrong.

Later, at the table, we were all talking and one woman said that when they were doing all this, she got a feeling that she should stop doing it.  Guess what, she blamed it on the devil but I really felt deep down inside that it was the Holy Spirit convicting here for doing the practice.

One night in a separate incident, One of the pastors at this same church laid hands on me and prayed over me with the elder.  All of a sudden the Pastor pushed me down and as I laid on the floor, I looked up at him, and while he was praying in tongues, he looked at me with the glassiest and craziest look I have ever seen before.  It sent a cold chill up my back and I knew something was definently wrong. Many times at church, this same pastor would stare at me with the same hypnotic glance to the point that I had to turn my head.  He acted very strange and very odd when I would see him in the basement of the church.  He was nice and everything but there was definently something very eerie about his presence.

When I quit that church to go to another, I was told that I was being led by Satan to go to another church and that their church was the only one where I lived that was teaching the truth.

I was also told that if I left that church, I would fall into apostacy so I never went back again."


        Below is a woman’s testimony how satan’s evil spirits made her uncomfortable around the Holy Spirit of God.  She gives us an excellent inside look into the so-called "Toronto Blessing" manifestation:
 

Deceived by Toronto Spirits
by _____

A gripping testimony from somebody who knows!!

This letter appeared in "Discernment", the newsletter of Jewel Van Der Merwe, and was recently posted to her website.

It graphically portrays the dangers of toying with the deceiving spirits of the "toronto-blessing", now also being passed on under other names, and in use at Brownsville, Pensacola.

The Toronto phenomenon is NOT NEW. It has been known throughout all centuries, and has been encountered before in many forms and under many different guises. It manifests itself as a "christian" experience where the worshippers are predominantly westernised and christianised. However, no real, genuine, Bible-loving and Spirit-filled, born-again believer is deceived for long by something that mimics Jesus. As you will see...


A Letter from a Reader in South Africa

"Dear Friend:

I write to you, as a concerned child of God and ex-member of ____ Christian Church. Since leaving this church, God has revealed the true Gospel of Jesus Christ our Saviour to me. Among other things, He has exposed the true source of the so-called "anointing" or "outpouring of the ‘holy spirit’" which is being experienced in many Charismatic churches. Although it seems to have its origins in the spiritual realm, I can assure you that is most definitely not the Spirit of the Lord (2 Cor. 11:13-15).

If, at this stage you are tempted to simply shred this letter, I implore you to at least read it through, before doing so. If however, thereafter you still feel inclined to do so, then be my guest. After all, it is not for me to convince or convict you in any way. That is the work of the Spirit of God. It is however, up to you to decide what you are going to do about that conviction. You can either choose to act upon it. or you can choose to simply ignore it.

In July 1995, after re-committing my life to the Lord, I experienced God's Miraculous Healing Power twice within a single week. In the first instance, God totally delivered me from a sexually immoral lifestyle and six days later He supernaturally healed me from smoking. As you could well imagine, these experiences had a dramatic influence on my life. Within a period of six days, God turned my whole life upside down.

I had heard that God touched the lives of people in similar ways in ____ Christian Church. But, I must admit at the time I wasn't really convinced that these ‘‘manifestations’’ were from God. I just couldn't believe that God would heal people in such strange ways. Then, to my utter amazement, I experienced not one, but two supernatural healings in the privacy of my home. I must admit, I began to think that which was being experienced in the _____ Christian Church must be from God.

I began attending the Church's services on a regular basis, but to my dismay, I didn't experience the ‘‘anointing’’ of the Holy Spirit. Furthermore, I became extremely agitated when these ‘‘manifestations of the spirit’’ were displayed during the services. Needless to say, I became somewhat concerned. When I spoke to my fellow members about this problem, I was told that is was an attack from the devil to prevent me from experiencing the presence of the Lord and that I should seriously pray about the situation.

Thus began a period of serious spiritual warfare against this attack from Satan, but alas, still no manifestations. I could not understand it. Why was God withholding His Spirit from me? What was I doing wrong? I prayed and prayed to God to Fill me with His Spirit - but in vain. I continually pressed in, but nothing happened. At one stage I actually began to doubt my salvation due to the fact that I wasn't experiencing any manifestations.

I became so totally obsessed with the manifestations that I found myself concentrating solely on trying to induce a manifestation whenever I prayed or worshipped. It was only then that I finally managed to successfully induce a manifestation. To my utter disgust, this so-called ‘‘anointing’’ was a far cry from the wonderful life-changing experience which I had previously experienced when God had delivered me from an immoral lifestyle and smoking.

I noticed that for some strange reason praying and reading my Bible suddenly became virtually impossible. Furthermore, I became aware of the fact that I often felt tempted to fall back into sin in the areas where God had delivered me. I asked myself, "why is this happening?" I was confused. Then I blamed Satan for the fact that I was unable to effectively pray and read the Bible. As for falling back into past sins, I promptly found Scriptures with which to justify why God was supposedly allowing these things to happen, but in fact I used these merely to lull my own conscience.

In the eyes of my Charismatic friend, I had made it! God was actively working in my life. I most definitely couldn't allow anyone to know that which I had experienced as the "manifest presence of the Lord" wasn't everything it was made out to be. I couldn't risk being heard speaking out against the Holy Spirit - after all according to Matthew 12:32 and Mark 3:29, 30 - this is an unforgivable sin. I certainly wasn't prepared to be guilty of that. And so, the masquerade began. I pretended to enjoy these experiences when in actual fact, every single time I allowed myself to experience the ‘‘anointing’’, something deep inside my inner being would be pleading with me to put an end to the charade.

I was bewildered by this predicament that I found myself in:. .Was I the only person who felt this way?. . Were there others who had the same problems? . . or. . Was Satan yet again attempting to stop me from receiving God's blessing? Yes, that had to be it. Satan had to be responsible for these doubts, as well as for the discomfort I was experiencing. Of course, the only way I knew how to counter Satan's attacks was to engage in Spiritual Warfare.

Once again I launched not a serious battle against Satan. I earnestly prayed to God to: Remove anything and everything in my life that wasn't from Him, as far away from me, as the North is from the South and the East is from the West. If it wasn't from Him, I didn't want to have anything to do with it. I thought He would take away the doubts and the discomfort.

Instead, when I prayed to God in this way, the most horrific thing happened. God took this strange ‘‘spirit’’ away from me. Yet, amazingly for the first time in many months, I was able to read my Bible without having to force myself to concentrate on what I was reading. Suddenly God's Word once again became a reality to me, as it had done when I gave my life to the Lord; I could once again actually understand what I was reading. What's more, I noticed that my prayer life dramatically improved and that the temptations which hounded me before had disappeared.

But, alas as far as the Charismatics are concerned, it is only when we experience what they define as the "presence" of the Lord (or the anointing or the outpouring of the ‘‘spirit’’ as they call it) in our lives that we truly grow spiritually. In fact, according to their teachings, a so-called ‘‘personal touch from God" is considered to be far more important than the Word preached from the pulpit. What was I to do? I sincerely desired to become spiritually mature. So, I yet again sought the so-called anointing and before long I found myself caught up in an action reply of the previously described scenario, but with one small difference. As I had had previous experiences, I was now able to achieve the manifestations much easier than I had the first time round, but as I did, the battles against Satan re-commenced. Surely something was wrong - But I was reassured by my friends that these incessant attacks were a sign that I was doing something right because Satan only attacks those who are making progress in God's kingdom.

At first I fell for this explanation, I even thanked God for the attacks, but after a while I began to doubt whether it was true. I simply could not believe that what I was experiencing was God's will for His children. I simply had to find the answers. Thus with much difficulty at first, I endeavored to seek answers to these and other questions I had in God's Word. (The Bible).

The first subject I tackled was that of the Scriptures used to justify these so-called manifestations of the Spirit. It wasn't too long before I realized how totally misquoted, twisted and misinterpreted these were. Should you doubt this fact, read the following Scriptures - in context: Acts 2:15, 16 and Eph 5:18 (being drunk in the "spirit"); Amos 3:8 (prophets - roaring like lions); 1 Pet. 1:8 (uncontrollable laughter) and Acts 9:6 (shaking in the Spirit).

Don't just skim over them because you believe you know them. Read them carefully. Sincerely pray that God will reveal the content through His Holy Spirit. Should you still believe that they do justify the so-called manifestations, and that these are of God, then read the following Scriptures carefully: I Cor. 12:7-11 (Manifestations of the Spirit); Gal. 5:22-24 (Fruit of the Spirit); Romans 12:6-8 (Gifts of the Spirit). In fact, perhaps you should also study Luke 4:33 and Luke 9:42 (Demon spirits).

I also had believed that what I was taught was Biblical and it took some time for my to fully comprehend the truth. The reason for this is described clearly in Isaiah 5:9 and Matthew 13:13. Christians hear these Scriptures quoted so often, they actually no longer hear their true contents. They only hear what they are taught to hear. Even when reading these Scriptures they do not see what they are reading.

God has shown me that what is happening in many churches is that the truth is being traded for a Lie. The danger lies in the fact that when a lie is believed for long enough it becomes the truth to those being exposed to it. God helped me to see that what I perceived as being the Holy Spirit was actually a Deceiving Spirit. And what I perceived as being a Deceiving Spirit was in actual fact the Holy Spirit.

Your friend in Christ,

_________  (Pretoria, South Africa)"


        Below is an article from a man, whom we will leave unnamed, who left the Pentecostal Movement, which he refers to as the "Tongues Movement."
 

17 REASONS WHY I LEFT THE TONGUES MOVEMENT

"After a service one evening a Christian brother, who is a minister in the Pentecostal Movement, approached me and asked, "Can you tell me in a sentence or two why you left the Pentecostal Movement?". . .

. . . But why then did I leave?  I will endeavour first of all to list the major reasons, and then elaborate on each one. However, it will be impossible to look at each reason thoroughly in the scope of this testimony.

I LEFT THE TONGUES MOVEMENT BECAUSE OF:

1.   Sincere convictions regarding their doctrines, emphases, and practices.
2.   An unsound biblical basis for their doctrine of the Holy Spirit.
3.   An over-emphasis of one gift of the Holy Spirit.
4.   An under-emphasis of other doctrines.
5.   Their "experience" orientation.
6.   The undermining of the personality of the Holy Spirit.
7.   Spiritual pride and disunity produced by their doctrine.
8.   The teaching that tongues-speaking is a sign of spirituality and even of salvation.
9.   Sign-seeking instead of faith.
10. Questionable activities practised and condoned.
11. The fear of questioning the so-called activities of the Holy Spirit.
12. The view that the Corinthian church was a model church.
13. The danger of claiming extra-biblical revelation.
14. The excesses and deceptive practices condoned in divine healing campaigns.
15. The tendency to blind, unquestioning devotion to popular leaders.
16. The possibility that the Charismatic Movement will be instrumental in producing the prophesied world ecumenical church of the last days.
17. Their distortion of the true Spirit-filled life."


       Below is a letter from a young mother, whom we will leave unnamed, regarding her experience with the demonic Talking in Tongues and Toronto Blessing experiences:
 

"I have had the shaking thing [Ed note: this is the so-called: "Shaking in the Spirit"] happen to me at the Pentecostal church I attend but I am wondering what it is.  I do not believe it is of God.  It gives me the willies.

One time in fact I went to a fellowship at one of the woman who attend my church's house and two other ladies went also.  I also had my kids and these women started to make animal noises and howl right in front of my kids.  I played a long as I was just a babe myself, however I felt something really wrong in the spirit about this.

As I have said before, I have turned from allot of the gifts due to this.  I have even been trying not to speak in tongues although I fight the tongues thing.  I still feel led to pray in tongues but part of me hates praying in them after what I have seen in the Pentecostal/Charismatic church."


      
  Below is a letter from a man who, while it appears that he still advocates talking in tongues (even though he says that he senses demons around him when he does it) he seems to be nicely coming out of the spiritually depraved practices and seems to have a pretty good handle on the other false manifestations in the churches:
 

"Exercise caution when speaking in an unknown tongue. Be certain there is an interpeter present and no more then three praying at a time in the church. God revealed this to us in ACTS for a reason. Because there is a danger in speaking in an unknown tongue [The gentleman is in error regarding the word "unknown." See Appendix #3 'unknown' tongues. (return link supplied)-- Editor WBSG]. You don't have a clue what you praying for or who you are praying to. Even if you are a christian, Satan can use this to his advantage.

I came into a situation a few times when either I or someone else was praying in tongues. I senced a strong presence of Demons around me. That is why it is very important to follow the words of God which so many Charasmatic churches today do not do and they have opened the door to Satan and his dominions.

Slain in the spirit is another doctrine that has been invented by demons. If you think that it is ok to do this act then you are being decieved.

In the first place, there is no where in the Bible that shows a man of God laying a hand on the forehead of someone and immediatly the person falling backward in a death position.

Second, Slain in the Spirit sounds sinister. Think about it for a moment. The definition of slay is to kill violently, wantonly, or in great numbers.

It is not a gift nor is it of God. Some people who have been slain in the spirit have even gone into convulsive states (even though seizures are said in the Bible to sometimes be caused by demons. God certainly does not cause an illness.

In conclusion, don't believe everything you hear such as holy laughter, Gold dust theory, slain in the spirit. Many of these things are witchcraft wrapped up in a neat little package invented by wolves in sheeps clothing to tickle the ears of christians. Test the spirits. Satan is out to decieve and he will if we allow him.

We are living in a very dangerous time and demonic activity is at an all time high because Satan knows his time is short.

we now have so called "revivals," taking place all over the world, where Charismatic Christians come to receive the "gift of holy laughter." They line up to have some celebrity evangelist touch them or blow on them, while they fall on the floor and writhe in some sort of spiritual ecstasy. Others are supernaturally pinned to the floor for hours. Many are unable to speak or stagger like a common drunk. This kind of phenomenon resembles an Occult initiation more than a revival. And it brings reproach to the name of Christ. What happened to the weeping over sin that characterized the great revivals of the past century?

The Apostle Paul told the Ephesian Elders, in Acts 20, that he had not kept back anything that was profitable to them, but had shown them everything God had for the Church. There was no "holy laughter" or carnival antics going on in Paul's ministry. There were no multi-million dollar "ministries" sucking up God's money from poor widows to be used for elaborate lifestyles of celebrity tele-prophets. The condition of the Church today is every bit as nauseating to God as the Laodiceans in John's day, even moreso. If we claim to follow the Scriptures as our sole source of authority, we are required to reject all extra-biblical phenomenon that passes itself off as a "move of the Spirit." Paul taught Timothy that Scripture is sufficient for equipping the man of God to be "perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works," [2 Tim. 3:17]. We don't need something new. If its not in the Bible, its not of God. The Word of God does not tell us to expect some great last days intoxication revival, or new knowledge of secret formulas to manipulate that Almighty Vending Machine in the sky to give us more material prosperity, [1 Tim. 6:3-11]. Instead, it warns us of the rampant apostasy in the Church, and the wolves in sheep's clothing, [Matt. 7:15-20, 1 Tim. 4:1,2, 2 Tim. 4:1-4]. The Word of God tells us to be skeptical. The teachers of the "prosperity gospel" are the ushers in Satan's Church, leading Christians in droves toward the great "falling away." This may seem like a harsh statement, but I stand by it.

The same kind of power experienced by the Early Church in the book of Acts is available to us today. It has always been available. And, it will be indispensable during the tribulation. If you study Church history, you will find that the power of the Spirit and the gifts diminished as the Church became more worldly. This doesn't mean the gifts were done away. The problem is we have not been willing to pay the price to walk in that power. We have not been willing to forsake all to follow Christ. We covet the power of the Early Church. But, do we also covet the persecution of the Early Church? Soon a shaking is going to occur that will flatten all we have built in this world. Only what is built on the rock will stand, [Heb. 12:25-29]. When we find ourselves stripped of our savings, our homes, our insurance policies, our government checks, and even the ability to participate in a cashless society, we will only have God to rely on. He will be there to honor all His promises that we have so often quoted, but so seldom relied on. It's time to let go of the world and all it has to offer, and embrace the cross. Paul's idea of the Christian life is much different than popular "Christianity" today."


I Jn 4:1
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 
(KJV)

Rev 2:2
2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars
(KJV)

2 Pet 2:1-3
1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 
(KJV)
 

"And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." (Rev 18:4)

God bless!

 [End excerpt]

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The (same) reader responds:

 

Hello,

There is one thing you don't understand.  All of those testimonies I have heard.   See those testimonies are of people who visited Charismatic churches.  We are not charismatic.  There is a difference. 

All of that Laughing, jumping, clapping, running, dancing, yelling, falling, is not of a Spirit I know.  We don't have that in our church.  We are against that.  But we do speak in tongues.  Maybe you don't understand.  I would honestly like you to visit our church.   That video [Jesus Camp: Kids Worshipping to a George Bush Picture] is total confusion and chaos and something that my inner self tells me is not of God.  Bowing to Bush, what a joke.  Those are not Christians. 

I read your teaching but obviously you were never baptised with the Holy Spirit with the sign of tongues.  I wonder how you make it through your day.  You obviously have not asked God for wisdom when reading Corinthians chapter 14.  Romans 8.  Acts 2. 

I just want you to understand I am against that and so is our church; the things mentioned above.  We have Charismats come to our church peaching their lies and acting all happy when they are not.  See our church split many years ago.  There was some leader that fell into those false teaching and took people with him.  A friend of mine visited them years later and said they act similiar to those testimonies you mentioned.  She new it was not from God.  I know that is not from God.  But can I say the same for our church?  No because we don't have that.   I really hurts me inside when you say that I have some evil spirit in me as if I don't know. 

How I got baptized with the Holy Spirit, ( please without a critizing mind read)  I was 9 years old.  I thank God for my mom who taught from even younger years about Jesus.  I gave my heart to Jesus when I was 7.  I remember asking him to take control of my life from that day.  When I was 9 we went to visit a friend of my parents who came to visit from Russia.  We discussed the Bible and the amazing works of God.  Before leaving we knelt to pray, a typical thing we do as we leave a friends home.  As we were praying, nothing special, I started saying things that I could not understand.  Hands were not layed upon me, I was just praying.  My mom told my about the Holy Spirit and the day of Pentecost.  After we were done as we were driving home, I asked my mom why that happened to me.  I remember I was crying.  To my mind kept coming the thoughts of the cross, I was 9 years old.  My mom told me that I was baptized with the Holy Spirit.  Apostal Paul says "pray in the Spirit", what does that mean to you?  "Do not be drunk with wine, which is excess, but be filled with the Spirit", what does that mean to you?  What does it mean the Paul said that he prayed more than any one of them in tongues?  

After watching those videos I also had a doubt that was God.  But in our church people all got the Holy Spirit in prayer.  No one fell.  There was no shaking.  There is no running around.  There is no jumping and whatever else that foolishness is about.  But we do pray in tongues.  And if you tell me that is not from God but from the Devil, I honestly, honestly pray that God gives you wisdom.  I wonder how you pray.  How do you hear Gods voice?  How do you feel Gods presence, in the worship music of yours?  Forgive me but that is emotions.  Music playes on your emotions.  Our chuch does not have a band or worship group.  You know what we sing, Gospel and Psalms.  No drums.  No guitar, just a piano.  No emotions.  WE don't sing 10 song and thing "oh we felt God".  No we sing one song, listen to the word of God, get on our knees and pray and that is when the church gets filled.  No there is no animal noises.  As you hear spanish for example, doesn't it sound like a language?  Well, that is how it sounds in our church, a lot of languages, no animal noises. 

Charismats are what you hear the testimonies about.  The are very close to us in only the sense that they believe in tongues.  Thats all.  We have a problem with that in our church because people think we are like them.  Wrong.  We are against false teaching.  But the truth is talking in tongues is from God. 

I am not a Bible scholar.  It is 1:22am right now.  Sorry, tomorrow though I will give you the spots in the Bible and the verse, this is all very quickly typed out.  In the prophets it is said that "I will give them a new language" and we only think that was on the day of the pentecost.  So are we taking the Bible as "that only happended in their time not ours",  than sorry, you are not a person who believes the entire word of God. 

OK, sorry but I have to go to sleep.  I have so much more to say.  God Bless you, I hope this will be considered.  It just hurts me because you say "they don't know of what spirit they are"  Sorry, Romans tells me that the Spirit of God testifies to my Spirit that I am child of God.

Peace be with you,

[Xxxxxx]


Answer:

As Israel of old fell, so too shall Israel of today (Christianity) fall; and by the same hand, the hand of God.  And wherefore?  For our sins and for a whoring after the unclean thing in the very Temple of God (which is now, since Christ, the Temple built without hand, I speak of the body of Christ—the Christian faithful of all stripes and denomination):

Hosea 9:1-10
9:1 Rejoice not, O Israel, for joy, as other people: for thou hast gone a whoring from thy God, thou hast loved a reward upon every cornfloor.
2 The floor and the winepress shall not feed them, and the new wine shall fail in her.
3 They shall not dwell in the LORD's land; but Ephraim shall return to Egypt, and they shall eat unclean things in Assyria.
4 They shall not offer wine offerings to the LORD, neither shall they be pleasing unto him: their sacrifices shall be unto them as the bread of mourners; all that eat thereof shall be polluted: for their bread for their soul shall not come into the house of the LORD.
5 What will ye do in the solemn day, and in the day of the feast of the LORD?
6 For, lo, they are gone because of destruction: Egypt