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  1. Still more objections to Ezekiel 40-48 NOT being the Millennium of Revelation

  2. True Israel verses the false Jewish State today in Palestine: a Scriptural comparison by Col. Jack Mohr.

  3. "And he [God] changeth the times and the seasons" — Dan 2:21.

  4. Eugenics, Euthanasia, and our children's generation.  Featuring the Yale University "Abortion Artist"

  5. Regarding the changes on the title page

  6. The Strong Delusion and Great Tribulation of the endtimes

  7. "Google" is becoming Orwellian

  8. What did Christ mean when He said, "Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?", in John 10:34)?

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Still more objections to Ezekiel 40-48 NOT being the Millennium of Revelation

 

WBSG NOTE:  From to time we receive manuscript submissions which are presented for the purpose of us examining them for error, or to give assurance that the reader is on the right track.  However, we do not do this for two reasons; one, time simply does not permit that we "proofread" others work; and two, it is not our place to set ourselves up as the final arbiter of what is correct and what is not correct in others doctrinal papers.

    Also, many times we are sent Website addresses to Internet ministries and are asked if we feel that they are teaching accurately.  We do not do this either, as at various points we may agree with a man's doctrine but at other points disagree; therefore, how could we possibly go on record as supporting a teacher or ministry when we are not 100% in agreement?  (The Shepherds Chapel with Pastor Murray is the only exception to this, out of great respect for Pastor Arnold Murray and a keen understanding of the man's doctrinal stance and position.)  Then there is the inevitable rebuttal e-mail asking us what exactly it is that we disagree with on a certain ministry Website and to prove our case with Scripture.  Surely we do not have the time for that.  And if we began doing this then we would have to stop our work and spend all our time "policing" other ministries.  How then would we have the time to bring our own projects forward?

    Below, a reader disagreed with our Ezekiel-not-being-the-Millennium position.  The reader referenced another ministry and countered our view by listing that other ministry's view.  We here make an exception and shall respond to this reader's request.  But please in the future do not ask us to proofread other ministries doctrines and ministry Websites, as we do not have the time.  To say that our plate is full here at WBSG Website is an understatement.  The doctrine that we teach here which the reader is in disagreement with is listed in the below articles of ours.  The below four articles are listed in the chronological order in which we wrote them and would probably flow better to the reader if read in that order.

    And after that, we present the reader's objections and answer in-between his paragraphs.  We have colored his text blue and left ours black so as to keep it clear as to who is saying what.  Also, please understand that we must be brief in our responses for time's sake; but also because we have already covered all his objections in our below four articles.  Sometimes patience to read all that we have written will reward the reader with questions answered already.  I would like to add that the below reader is a friend to WBSG Website and this in no way should be considered a criticism of him personally.  Once again I remind the readers that when we answer questions here we address them to the readers generally and not specifically to the particular person who sent in the question.  With that being said;

    our position:

  1. What Christ's First Advent changed: Why Ezekiel chapters 40-48 won't happen. (with a closing word to the Judaics).

  2. ...is Ezekiel 44 in the Millennium?

  3. More on Ezekiel 44 NOT being the Millennium; More on the so-called "second chance doctrine."

  4. More on Ezekiel's Kingdom not being the Millennium of Revelation 20.

The reader writes:

Hi Nick,
What I wrote concerning the Millennium was a response to one of YOUR studies. You really need to take a look at this as I feel I've made, through God's Word of course, a strong argument for my case.
 
Here again is the study attached. I welcome comments back on this. Always enjoy your site--especially the current events, culture watch and end-time prophecy things. I don't always agree on everything, but then again, as you know, God didn't take a cookie cutter and make us all the same either!!
 
God Bless,
[xxxxx]


The reader presents his argument:

Hi Nick,
 
I recently read your study in answer to some questions on the Millennium and I must respectfully disagree with your thoughts on that.

    And that is fine; I never expect any reader to agree 100% in lockstep with me here.  We are not trying to build a base of "followers," we are trying to build a base of Bible students who can go on to do their own Bible studies and then to teach others how to search the Scriptures for themselves:

Acts 17:11
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.  KJV

    All I do ask is that any criticism be respectfully presented and with Biblical Scripture as documentation.

You stated that the Ezekiel chapters 40-48 have been SUPERCEDED by the Lord because the world rejected Christ at His first advent.

While I do agree that had the nation accepted Him as the Messiah and repented, then we would've entered into the Millennium then and then you and I would never have been born. The kingdom is in abeyance (not yet).

    Well, we disagree even here.  You said:

"then we would've entered into the Millennium then"

    There is no millennium mentioned in Ezekiel, there is no one-thousand years mentioned there.  The future envisioned in Ezekiel was to be forever.  There is no future heavenly place mentioned in Ezekiel, you could call Ezekiel a "Heaven on Earth."  Below is the last verse of the book of Ezekiel; and speaking of the temple built in Ezekiel—it is forever:

Ezek 48:35
35 It was round about eighteen thousand measures: and the name of the city from that day shall be, The Lord is there. KJV

    Also, you will notice that much of Ezekiel 40-48 speaks of a Temple and Holy City etc; however, the book of Revelation (in the 20th chapter, the Millennium chapter—the 1000 years) there is no temple there.  The only Jerusalem and Temple mentioned to exist after Christ returns is the Heavenly Temple, the Heavenly Jerusalem.  Observe:

Rev 20:15
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.  KJV

Rev 21:22
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. KJV

    You said:

"and then you and I would never have been born"

    This is not true either; for, in Ezekiel we see children (and fathers, mothers, sisters, etc.) mentioned several times.  As well as marriage, death, virginity, divorce, etc.  So how do you say that you and I would never have been born?  These things which are seen in Ezekiel are not seen in the "Heaven" (i.e., Heaven Age—the third Earth Age of 2nd Peter 3:13 in Revelation chapter 21 forward), nor in the Millennium of Revelation chapter 20 forward.  Observe from Ezekiel's vision:

Ezek 44:21-25
21 Neither shall any priest drink wine, when they enter into the inner court.
22 Neither shall they take for their wives a widow, nor her that is put away: but they shall take maidens of the seed of the house of Israel, or a widow that had a priest before.
23 And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.
24 And in controversy they shall stand in judgment; and they shall judge it according to my judgments: and they shall keep my laws and my statutes in all mine assemblies; and they shall hallow my sabbaths.
25 And they shall come at no dead person to defile themselves: but for father, or for mother, or for son, or for daughter, for brother, or for sister that hath had no husband, they may defile themselves.  KJV

Ezek 46:16-18
16 Thus saith the Lord God; If the prince give a gift unto any of his sons, the inheritance thereof shall be his sons'; it shall be their possession by inheritance.
17 But if he give a gift of his inheritance to one of his servants, then it shall be his to the year of liberty; after it shall return to the prince: but his inheritance shall be his sons' for them.
18 Moreover the prince shall not take of the people's inheritance by oppression, to thrust them out of their possession; but he shall give his sons inheritance out of his own possession: that my people be not scattered every man from his possession.  KJV

    Now, I know that you will "spiritualize these Scriptures away," but I would ask you: by what authority?  Is it not rather that you have initially learned these Scriptures in a "spiritualized context" and now have trouble seeing them as anything other?  Why can't God simply mean what He said, even though it disagrees with any fellow's doctrinal interpretation?

However, I disagree with your thoughts on the soon-to-be Millennium and what will be happening.  I believe that the Millennium will go forward just as stated in Ezekiel 40-48---minus the flesh element. We'll be in spiritual bodies at the time--some with eternal souls, and the rest with souls not eternal-- until the Great White Throne Judgement.

    So, you are saying that we can take some of Ezekiel's vision as accurate and some of it as inaccurate (or changed)?  I refer to your statement:

"I believe that the Millennium will go forward just as stated in Ezekiel 40-48---minus the flesh element."

    And the authority for this division between what is to be accepted and what is not to be acceptable comes from where?  You?  Pastor Murray?  Can't you see that what is happening here is that you are taking as literal that which fits into your preconceived notions, and anything that does not fit into your favorite interpretation then automatically becomes void, "spiritually speaking," or "changed"?

I believe when it speaks of sacrifices, brothers, mothers, etc in Ezekiel 40-48.--that those are figures of speech that God uses so a flesh man can understand what's being stated.  I do not doubt that's how it would've gone if that nation had accepted Jesus Christ.  Obviously there won't be any LITERAL sacrifices offered now since Jesus is our sacrificial lamb for one and all time.

    Okay, if you can say that "I do not doubt that's how it would've gone if that nation had accepted Jesus Christ.  Obviously there won't be any LITERAL sacrifices offered", then why can't you understand that since the Kingdom was rejected when they rejected the King (Jesus at the Crucifixion) then the offered Kingdom written of in Ezekiel was completely retracted and superseded by the Kingdom spoken afterwards in the book of Revelation?  With all due respect I say to you that it sounds like you are "picking and choosing" arbitrarily what remains and what was retracted.

You tend to think that there's no 2nd chances and that Pastor Murray teaches the Millennium period as a 2nd chance.

    I absolutely reject any such notion as a second chance, the reasons for that have been enumerated in the above four articles that I presented at the beginning of this.

I disagree with you thinking that because, as PM states all the time, and just by using common sense, with what is taught in the world in Christianity (false tongues, rapture, and NOT teaching of the Word), plus all the other false religions out there who've never even heard the Word or the Biblical account of Jesus coming to earth to save us from our sins, etc) these people don't have a real prayer of a chance to be saved!!

   Well, regardless of what "Pastor Murray says" and contrary to your own application of "common sense," the world has heard of Jesus Christ.  There is not any nation that doesn't know what Jesus Christ claimed in the New Testament.  All peoples know that (Bible-based) Christianity teaches that without believing in Jesus Christ a man cannot see eternal life; in fact, it is for these very claims of Christianity and the exclusivity of them that the world hates us.  The Muslims know it while they slaughter Christians in the Sudan, etc.  And the Jews always knew it whilst they killed or had others kill Christians all down through time since the Crucifixion of Messiah Jesus Christ on through the Tribulation.  This notion that Christianity and her claims are somehow unknown to the non-Christian world is absurd.  People do know—they just reject Him.  And should there be "that proverbial person" (who is mentioned by that anti-Christian and New-Age pied-piper Oprah Winfrey leading silly women astray) that washed ashore as a child and grew up alone on the deserted island never being preached to about Jesus Christ—then God shall teach him, or Jesus would appear to him.  God doesn't forget His children.  Are not even Aborted babies saved though they knew not Christ?  God is able. 

    And where you say: "these people don't have a real prayer of a chance to be saved", I feel that that can be a dangerous statement; for, Christ's crucifixion was certainly more than "a prayer of a chance," and which word of was impossible to suppress: "And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out. " (Luke 19:40 ).    And did not Jesus Himself instruct His church:

Mark 16:15-16 [Christ speaking]
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.  KJV

    You will then say to me that, "Yes, Jesus told them to do the above, but that doesn't mean that they obeyed."  And you might have had a good argument had Jesus not assured us of the following.  Is it not written that all will hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ (though many will not accept it)?

Matt 24:11-14 [Christ speaking]
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.  KJV

    Was the above Scripture unclear?  What happens before the end in verse 14?  I would certainly call that much more than "a prayer of a chance."  The Gospel of Jesus Christ shall be known to all nations.

    So, be careful that you don't mistakenly blame God for the error or disobedience of men.  To say that in this world people don't have "a prayer of a chance" means that God was lacking—God forbid!  Sometimes we just have to get out of God's way.  Now, I know that you don't mean to sound like this but it almost sounds as though your doctrine does not need Jesus Christ nor His work on the cross.  For, if a man can be saved without Jesus Christ then He was offered in vain—God forbid!

We know from II Peter 3:9--
 
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 
 
**So if it's God will that all come to repentance, He's a just and fair God who is going to make sure that everyone has a REAL chance (unhindered by the mess of lies--i.e. media, kenite influence in society, etc), to learn the truth AND become disciplined in following God and His ways.  Obviously Revelation chapter 20 shows that MANY will still be deceived and follow Satan at the end of the Millennial period and end up in the Lake of Fire, but it's God WISH that all would repent and be saved. He's going to make sure people have a REAL opportunity to do just that prior to throwing them in the Lake of Fire.  God is VERY patient--much more so than any man or woman.***

    I take great exception to where you say (capitalization is in your original):

  • "God who is going to make sure that everyone has a REAL chance"

  • "He's going to make sure people have a REAL opportunity"

    And what is going on down here from the First Advent through to the Second Advent is not a "REAL" chance?  What is it, a hint?  A suggestion?  A mystery to be unravel after death when pastor Murray's students will finish God's unfinished and Jesus' insufficient work during the Millennium?  You may not realize it but you are adhering to a Universalist theology.  Universalism doctrine teaches that all shall be saved, and in the most extreme sects of Universalists they believe that even satan and the fallen angels shall be saved in the end.

    And as to your statement:

"Obviously Revelation chapter 20 shows that MANY will still be deceived and follow Satan at the end of the Millennial period and end up in the Lake of Fire"

    No, many shall follow satan and attack God's saved saints and shall be exterminated by God.  You have to stop apologizing for every Christ-denier.  You use the word "deceived" as though it were an excuse, as though these people are victims not offenders.  Were the Jews who forced Christ's crucifixion victims or offenders?  And if they died before believing in Jesus Christ and repenting are they Heaven or hell bound?  You make it sound like "being deceived" is some sort of innocent "mental illness" that God overlooks.  Hardly, people are deceived because of their own stubbornness and lack of faith.  No man who reads the Bible and believes it will be deceived.  Certainly they won't be deceived when satan's first beast Judaics start killing Christians and forcing the mark of the beast under threat of death—these people are evil and were never true Christians, as are very many today.  People either don't care or they run to preachers to do their own homework for them.  Take the average catholic, for instance, many have never opened a Bible on their own, some never even owned one.  They leave all that God stuff to the priest, they they just say "amen" to opt in.  Do you think that Evangelical mega-Pastor John Hagee is a real Christian?  Hardly, he is an agent of the kosher beast.  And he is by far not alone in these endtimes.  And there shall be more.  Many people spend more effort deciding on what house to buy than they do searching out which doctrine to believe.  Are these victims in your eyes?  Is it God's oversight that caused them to be so afflicted?

You hold the traditional view that the overcomers (The elect who are martyred, etc in the Great Tribulation, etc) will be basically celebrating with the Lord for that period of time. While I don't doubt that is true, you know yourself, I know myself. We're not going to be content to be partying it up, etc.  We're going to also want to help instruct the people on the outside (who were deceived in the tribulation). God has designed us a certain way. We have compassion on people who are lied to and deceived NOW.

   Really?  You think that I shall be weeping for Christ's and God's enemies?  You think that my only desire shall be that the murderers of Christians and those men that seduced others into taking a mark of the beast be exonerated?  You think that I would desire for those rotten evil souls to infect Heaven and once again cause an attempted overthrow of God?  Every tear in this world is caused by them, they are not your friends and they are not God's friends.  And while I do not jolly in the destruction of the wicked, I certainly do not desire to judge God's wisdom in the matter.  Paul by the Holy Spirit spoke on this matter expressly:

Rom 9:10-23
10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto gloryKJV

  If you cannot understand the above last two verses then you dare not try to inject yourself into God's plans.  God knows what He is doing, and none shall be lost that He is not willing to lose.  You must understand that there was an Earth Age before this one where many turned against God, rebelled in Heaven, and followed satan in the insurrection; otherwise you might think that God is unfair—God forbid!  Well, many of those damned characters are walking among us today, some are preaching from pulpits, some sitting right next to us in church.  But God knows every man's heart.

How much more so will we have compassion in a spritiual body when our Lord Jesus takes control of the earth and Satan, the great deceiver, is locked away? 

    With all due respect: who the heck are we!?!  Me thinks that you think a little too highly of yourself.  You and I are so very blessed that we are even ourselves saved—we certainly can't claim to deserve it—much less think ourselves to be God's councilors or someone who is going to correct His judgment on saved verses unsaved souls—God forbid!

And let's face it--the people of this world have been greatly lied to since Satan was in the Garden of Eden and from the time Cain was expelled and did the damage in regards to setting up religious idolotry (See Sargon the Magnificent). Our own 'Christian' shepherds are overthrown by the b.s. of 'politically correctness' and by their lack of getting proper Biblical instruction in the seminiaries (due no doubt to heavy kenite influence in the universities). Studies have shown that an overwhelming majority of clergy DOUBT the Virgin Birth!! What business do any of them have serving in the 'House of the Lord' when they reject the Savior coming to the EARTH?!  For to doubt the Virgin Birth IS to say that the Messiah didn't come to the earth. That's what the Christian layperson is largely up against. 

    I don't think that Heaven is going to be quite as crowded as you suppose:

Matt 7:13-23 [Christ speaking]
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.  KJV

I have a list of references from the Book of Isaiah that refer to the Millennial time and that there will be INSTRUCTION going on during that time.

Isaiah 2:3: 
And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

the  Hebrew word for teach here in the Strong's is 3384, and it means: to throw, shoot, pour, to point out, show, to direct, teach, instruct

   Sir, that was Old Testament just as was Ezekiel.  Haven't you taken into consideration that when fulfilled that offer the people rejected it and killed the Messiah?  Did they say the above when Jesus was there?  No, they murdered Him and threw the offer of the Kingdom back in God's face.  And you say it refers to the Millennium, the Scriptures themselves speak of the time of the Kingdom, and none mention it to have an end after 1000 years. 

**Obviously, this can't happen today as the kenites rule and reign in Jerusalem, the future seat (capital) of Mystery Babylon. This can only happen AFTER the 2nd Advent of the Lord Jesus Christ. This would apply to the people on the OUTSIDE of the Sanctuary, not on the inside (the elect overcomers of now and past). The elect of Israel (and the kings of the Gentiles) will be assisting the Lord Jesus Christ run His holy world kingdom.**

Some more documentation:

26:9   With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments [are] in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.

Strong's word for learn  is # 3925 and it means: teach, exercise in, to learn, to teach, to be taught

27:6 He shall cause them that come of Jacob to take root: Israel shall blossom and bud, and fill the face of the world with fruit.

Also,

29:18    And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.
 
29:24   They also that erred in spirit shall come to understanding, and they that murmured shall learn doctrine.

**The Hebrew Word here for learn is the word # 3925 again and means 'to be taught'

41:20 That they may see, and know, and consider, and understand together, that the hand of the LORD hath done this, and the Holy One of Israel hath created it.
 
42:6  I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

The Hebrew word for light here is Strong's # 216 and it means:
 
-Light of Day, light of Day, light of lamp, light of life, light of life, light of prosperity, light of instruction 

    Same answer as above.

Inasmuch as our Lord is just and fair and doesn't desire anyone to perish, He has certainly set that Millennial time for discipline and instruction.  If someone is a Christian who's utterly deceived by their false preachers and then Satan when he appears as Antichrist, as well as the Muslims who are awaiting Mohammed to return, the Buddists are awaiting Buddah and the Hindus are awaiting Elephant-headed man (Ganesh I believe they call him), these people haven't had a REAL, clear and unhindered 1st chance to learn the truth.

    Nowhere is it written that, as you say: "He has certainly set that Millennial time for discipline and instruction."  Go back and re-read Revelation chapter twenty, search in vain for "instruction," "discipline" (or "conversion" for that matter).  You are confusing the Old Testament Kingdom, which was rejected, with the New Testament Kingdom, which is outlined in the book of Revelation chapter 21 & 22.  You seem to not need the New Testament.  That was the Jew's big mistake.  They thought that they could simply kill God's Messiah Jesus Christ and just go on as if nothing had happened, and then expect all the blessings promised in the Old Testament—that is the entire basis for the modern day religion of Judaism.  And I'm sorry, but it just doesn't work that way.  When you break a covenant it is broken.  Cheat on your "till death do us part" husband, and guess what?  That covenant is void, he's liable to divorce you by law.  Well, kill God's Messiah and guess what?  The Covenant of the Kingdom is retracted.  That's what happened when they murdered Jesus Christ; and then God made another Kingdom outcome.  Along with Jesus being the new Covenant, there was also a new Heavenly Kingdom offered.  And we today can enter into that Heaven by Jesus Christ alone.

Especially with all the lies and distortions the kenites have put out through their control of the 4 Hidden Dynasties--i.e. the education system, mass media, and control of religion, not to mention the role Cain himself in setting up false religions (again I'm referring here to that great book Sargon the Magnificent). I believe that all the false religions can be traced back to Babylon, a place of power and great influence for Cain at one point in his lengthy life**
 
A couple more verses that sow this topic up are:

Isaiah 52:15 So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for [that] which had not been told them shall they see; and [that] which they had not heard shall they consider.

The Hebrew word Consider here is Strong's # 995, which means:  to perceive, discern, to understand, know, insight, understanding, to cause to understand
 
**Simple--they're 'Caused to understand' because they're being instructed by the Lord through His servants, the elect, who participated in the 1st resurrection.**
 
One last verse on this:

Isaiah 54:13  And all thy children [shall be] taught of the LORD; and great [shall be] the peace of thy children.

**The Hebrew Word for taught here is # 3928 and it means:  taught, learned, discipled

    Same answer as above.

So there you have it.  We don't exactly what all of us will be doing at that time, but it's clear as crystal to me that this will be the PRIMARY objective the Lord has in mind for that period of time. Yes I believe there'll be a 'honeymoon' so to be speak of God with His elect  wife (bride) at the 2nd Advent, but then it'll be time to get to work. And we'll take great joy in knowing that the Lord thinks enough of us lowly sinners to help Him in instructing, governing cities and judging (in civil suits, etc) the world at the time. 
 
In closing, I hope you take a long hard look at these references. I enjoy many of the great studies you've put up on the site along with all the culture watch, current events, etc that you post on there. I know I've learned a lot in the year I've been visiting the site.

    I have long ago taken a long hard look at those verses and more; and you and I shall have to simply agree to disagree on this matter.  And thank you for the kind words.

    In closing, Jesus was asked regarding whether or not His appearing was the promised time of the Kingdom of the Old Testament Scriptures.  He answers them in the affirmative, but explains that it was being rejected:

Matt 17:10-13
10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias
[Elijah—Mal 4:5-6] must first come [before Messiah]?
11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already
[i.e., fulfilled], and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed [they killed him]. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them [they killed Him].
13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist
[as Elijah].  KJV

    And had they not rejected Messiah we would today be living in a world described in Ezekiel 40-48 and the world all the other Old Testament prophets who spoke on the matter have described.  But now we see that we are not.  Why?  What changed?  Christ was rejected and murdered; that changed everything.  That is why there shall be no animal sacrifices.  That is why there was a New Covenant (in the New Testament of your Bible).  That is why after the Second coming of Jesus Christ there is no longer any flesh man.  That is why there is no Elijah character preceding the Second Advent—God replaced that with the Two Witnesses (Revelation Chpt. 11).

    Peace to you in Christ Jesus.
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True Israel verses the false Jewish State today in Palestine: a Scriptural comparison by Col. Jack Mohr.

 

A reader writes:

Subject: Jews
Eph 6:12 we are not to wrestle with flesh and blood. our fight is with power and principalities on high.

You need to know the difference between our brother Judah and the Kenites.


Answer:

Hello.  You stated:

"You need to know the difference between our brother Judah and the Kenites"

    Do you?  Are you alleging that "our brother Judah" is over there in Palestine in the post-1948 so-called nation state of Israel?  Please show me some examples of the nation and people that are over there fulfilling any endtime or even Hebrew Old Testament prophecy (except for being the future seat of the beast in the Tribulation).

    Thank you.

    PS: You might benefit by the below article from the great and faithful Christian (but now deceased) Col. Jack Mohr; a man who feared not to tell the truth in a church world full of errors, lies and deception.  A man after my own heart, if I may humbly so claim.  May Jack rest in peace in Christ Jesus, and we'll see him on the other side!


THE MARKS OF ISRAEL

by COL. GORDON "JACK" MOHR
For Christ and Country


How strange it is, that with all the definite and positive assurances in the Word of God as to Israel's continuance forever as a Nation, there has never been any continued or persistent effort on the part of genuine Bible believers to find them. That they have been content to let them fade away and vanish into nothingness is surely a deep reproach on all true Christians.

There is, however, one probable explanation. It was GOD'S WILL AND PURPOSE TO HIDE THEM. While the Jews (some of whom are only a part of the House of Judah) occupied the stage, and even called themselves "Israel", God could work unhindered with and in "Lost Israel", till he had finished his predetermined work, and without them knowing they were the people of the Book. Only as Israel's time of punishment had run out, with the whole of God's purposes at the point of complete fulfillment, was the identity of Israel to become known.

However, it is a matter of inspired record that God placed "marks" on His people Israel. During the Christian dispensation, Lost Israel was to possess these marks of identification. So then, if we can discover the nations and people with Israel's marks, we have found the people whom God chose to serve Him to be a channel of blessing to all mankind. The God-given marks are very many, and while the following list is not exhaustive, they constitute a chain of evidence utterly impossible to ignore.

One race, and one race alone, has all these marks. Nations within this race may have only a portion of them, but the race as a whole has them all. With a few exceptions, Joseph (the birthright nation) was the recipient of them all. By inheritance, his two sons, Ephraim (Great Britain) and Manasseh (U.S.A.) will be found possessing them all.

While Israelites remain in other countries, America is the home of millions of all the thirteen tribes (one out of many) and thus is representative of the whole House of Jacob. We are bound by Israel's responsibilities; fulfilling Israel's destiny. The MARKS are on us everywhere; in our NAME; in our SABBATH; in our INSTITUTIONS; in our PHILANTHROPY; in our COMMERCE; in our WEALTH; in our MINES; in our AGRICULTURE; in our CHURCHES; in our MISSIONARY ENTERPRISES; in our ARMED FORCES; in our POSSESSION OF THE BIBLE: - all BIRTHMARKS, which neither time, nor the ages, nor even our sin can wipe out.

1. Israel to be great and mighty nation. Gen. 12:2; 18:18; Deut. 4:7,8.

2. Israel to have multitudinous seed. Gen. 13:16; 15:5; 22:17; 24:60; 26:4, 24; 28:3, 14; 32:12; 49:22; Isa. 10:22; Hos. 1:10; Zech. 10:7,8.

3. Israel to spread abroad to the West, East, North and South. Gen. 28:14; Isa. 42:5, 6.

4. Israel to have a new home. 2nd Sam. 7:10; 1st Chron. 17:9.

5. Israel's home to be north-west of Palestine. Isa. 49:12; Jer. 3:18.

6. Israel to live in islands and coasts of the earth. Isa. 41:1; 49:1-3; 51:5; Jer. 31:7-10.

7. Israel to become a company of nations. Gen. 17:4-6, 15,16; 35:11; 48:19; Eph. 2:12.

8. Israel to have a Davidic King (a perpetual monarchy within Israel). 2nd Sam. 7:13,19; 1st Chron. 22:10; 2nd Chron. 13:5; Psa. 89:20, 37; Eze. 37:24; Jer. 33:17, 21, 26.

9. Israel to colonize and spread abroad. Gen. 28:14; 49:22; Deut. 32:8; 33:17; Psa. 2:8; Isa. 26:15; 27:6; 54:2; Zech. 10:8,9.

10. Israel to colonize the desolate place of the earth. Isa. 35:1; 43:19, 20; 49:8; 54:3; 58:11, 12.

11. Israel to lose a colony, then expand, demanding more room. Isa. 49:19, 20.

12. Israel to have all the land needed. Deut. 32:8.

13. Israel to be the first among the nations. Gen. 27:29; 28:13; Jer. 31:7.

14. Israel to continue as a nation forever. 2nd Sam. 7:16, 24, 29; 1st Chron. 17:22-27; Jer. 31:35-37.

15. Israel's home to be invincible to outside forces. 2nd Sam. 7:10; Isa. 41:11-14.

16. Israel to be undefeatable - defended by God. Num. 24:8, 9; Isa. 15-17; Micah 5:8, 9.

17. Israel to be God's instrument in destroying evil. Jer. 51:20; 51:19-24; Dan. 2:34, 35.

18. Israel to have a land of great mineral wealth. Gen. 49:25, 26; Deut. 8:9; 33:15-19.

19. Israel to have a land of great agricultural wealth. Gen. 27:28; Deut. 8:7, 9; 28:11; 33:13, 14, 28.

20. Israel to be rich by trading. Isa. 60:5-11; 61:6.

21. Israel to be envied and feared by all nations. Deut. 2:25; 4:8; 28:10; Isa. 43:4; 60:10, 12; Micah 7:16, 17; Jer. 33:9.

22. Israel to lend to other nations, borrowing of none. Deut. 15:6; 28.12.

23. Israel to have a new name. Isa. 62:2; 65:15; Hos. 2:17.

24. Israel to have a new language. Isa. 28:11 (The Bible, by means of which God speaks now to Israel, is English not Hebrew).

25. Israel to possess the gates of his enemies. Gen. 22:17.

26. Israel to find the aborigines diminishing before them. Deut. 33:17; Isa. 60:12.

27. Israel to have control of the seas. Deut. 33:19; Num. 24:7; Psa. 89:25; Isa. 60:5 (F. Fenton translates this last, "when rolls up to you all the wealth of the sea". That could not be unless Israel controlled it).

28. Israel to have a new religion (New Covenant.) Heb. 8:10-13; 9:17; Matt. 10:5-7; Luke 1:77; 2:32; 22:20; John 11:49-52; Gal. 3:13.

29. Israel to lose all trace of her lineage. Isa. 42:16-19; Hos. 1:9, 10; 2:6; Rom. 11:25.

30. Israel to keep Sabbath forever (one day in seven set aside). Ex. 31:13, 16, 17; Isa. 58:13, 14.

31. Israel to be called the sons of God (i.e., accept Christianity). Hos. 1:10-11.

32. Israel to be a people saved by the Lord. Deut. 33:27-29; Isa. 41:8-14; 43:1-8;44:1-3;49:25, 26; 52:1-12; 55:3-10, 13; Jer. 46:27, 28; Eze. 34:10-16; Hos. 2:23; 13:9-14; 14:4, 6.

33. Israel to be the custodians of the Oracles (Scriptures) of God. Psa. 147:19, 21; Isa. 59-21.

34. Israel to carry the Gospel to all the world. Gen. 28:14; Isa. 43:10-12 (witnesses), 21; Micah 5:7.

35. Israel to be kind to the poor and set slaves free. Deut. 15:7, 11; Psa. 72:4; Isa. 42:7; 49:9; 58:6.

36. Israel to be the heir of the world. Rom. 4:13.

37. Israel to be God's Glory. Isa. 46:13; 49:3; 60:1, 2.

38. Israel to possess God's Holy Spirit as well as His Word. Isa. 44:3; 59:21; Hagg. 2:5.

39. Israel to be God's Heritage, formed by God, forever. Deut. 4:20; 7:6; 14:2; 2nd Sam. 7:23; 1st Kings 8:51, 53; Isa. 43:21; 54:5-10; Hos. 2:19, 23; Joel 2:27; Micah 7:14 -18.

40. Israel is the nation appointed to bring glory to God. Isa. 41:8-16; 43:10, 21; 44:23; 49:3.

"YE SEED OF ISRAEL'S CHOSEN RACE,

YE RANSOMED OF THE FALL,

HAIL HIM WHO SAVES YOU BY HIS GRACE,

AND CROWN HIM LORD OF ALL." 
[End]
 

    It is needless to point out that the impostor nation of so-called Israel today in Palestine fulfills none of the Bible's above prophecies of the Israel of God.  And if not of God, whence come they?  And if from the devil, then why are Christians (Christian Zionists and Judeo-Christians) supporting the lie in defiance of God's Word?  Answer: they are apart and away from God and are not following Him, they have grabbed a hold of the skirts of the antichrists.  The International Judaics have usurped true Israel's identity so that the non-Hebrew Khazars have been taken by the Christian churches to be God's chosen people Israel.  And having disguised themselves as God's chosen they have placed themselves in Israel's place in the prophecies, so as to profane and pervert the below Scripture, for instance—just as satan shall do when he disguises himself as the true Lord during the Tribulation.

Zech 8:23
23 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.  KJV 

    This should have (and would have) been fulfilled at the Advent of Christ, but they murdered Him on the cross instead, thus forfeiting the worldly Kingdom that He was to lead as Ezekiel's etc. prophecies spoke of.  In regards this hitherto "unconventional" position, see our:

    But it (the subservience to the "Jews") may be mimicked as an impersonated "type" during the Tribulation.  The religious "Jews" (Talmudists) of today long for this Scripture to be fulfilled shortly in them; and it forms the foundation for their Noahide Laws (seven main laws [and hundreds of minor laws] for "Gentiles" under their endtime servitude to the "Jews," as the Jewish Talmud reports).  Note:  at the aforementioned Talmud Noahide Laws link, see ¶4 (paragraph 4) for the sentence for violating the Noahide Laws—beheading!  Then compare that to the Tribulation beheadings mentioned in Revelation 20:4 and fill in the blanks.  However, the god of the Jews (and the world) in the Tribulation shall not be the Lord God but rather shall be satan in disguise; i.e., the antichrist as seen sitting in power impersonating God in 2nd Thes 2:4, and shown as the second beast, "another beast", in Rev 13:11ff.

    Anyway, that is what wolves in sheep's clothing do, they are impostors, and they sneak into the flock through subterfuge and in disguise so as to slaughter the chosen flock, God's good Christians of all stripes.

Acts 20:28-30
28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.  KJV

2 Cor 11:13-15
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming
[disguise - Grk. #3345] themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed
[disguise - Grk. #3345] into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed
[disguise - Grk. #3345] as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.  KJV

transforming/ed: Greek word #3345  metaschematizo (met-askh-ay-mat-id'-zo); from NT:3326 and a derivative of NT:4976; to transfigure or disguise; figuratively, to apply (by accommodation): KJV - transfer, transform (self).

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"And he [God] changeth the times and the seasons" — Dan 2:21.

 

A reader writes:

In our Bible Study group on Wed., there was a discussion on how seasons will change toward the end of time.  Some seemed to think the Bible says we will not be able to recognize one season from another and yet others of us could not recall reading that in our Bibles.
 
We know that many countries do not have the spring, summer, fall, winter that most people in North America recognize, but does Bible really say the seasons will merge and if so, where?
 
I have been searching the internet for several hours and come across this web site.  It seems to be very informative and clearly Bible based.  Thank you for making something like this available for students of the Bible.
 

Answer:

Hello.  Thank you for the kind words, they do mean much to us here.  You asked:

"In our Bible Study group on Wed., there was a discussion on how seasons will change toward the end of time.  Some seemed to think the Bible says we will not be able to recognize one season from another and yet others of us could not recall reading that in our Bibles."

    I have never heard of that position, perhaps they are confusing an Old Testament endtime Scripture?  I would say that Jesus' interjection in Matthew chapter 24, etc. should serve to dispel any notion that seasons as regarding to climate and weather would be changed.  Jesus stated of the time during the mid portion of the Tribulation:

Matt 24:14-22
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.  KJV

Mark 13:17-20
17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.
19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.  KJV

winter: Greek word #5494  cheimon (khi-mone'); from a derivative of cheo (to pour; akin to the base of NT:5490 through the idea of a channel), meaning a storm (as pouring rain); by implication, the rainy season, i.e. winter: KJV - tempest, foul weather, winter.

    Another endtime Scripture which mentions the continued existence of seasons would be in the below parable.  And though it is a parable there is nonetheless literal descriptions within.  The season of summer is heralded by the sprouting of the figs just as the Second Advent shall be heralded by the events of the Tribulation:

Luke 21:29-33
29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.  KJV

    It is difficult oftentimes to argue against a supposition (such as that "seasons will end in the endtimes") when these same suppositions are not based upon a Scripture themselves.  It's kind of like trying to prove by the Bible that there are no little green men on Mars.  However, if we observe God's intention when He created this and that, including the seasons, we can come to the reasonable conclusion that God has no intention to cease the seasons.  Below is when God first mentions the seasons and their relation to other heavenly bodies.

Gen 1:14-19
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.  KJV

    A laymen's knowledge of how the seasons come about reveals that they have to do with the rotation of the planet on its axis, in attitude, and in relation to the sun.  Therefore, to eliminate the seasons one would have to fundamentally change the attitude and movement of the planet itself.  Below is an excerpt from an article which states in a simple way how we get our seasons:

Why the Earth has Seasons
"As time goes by, spring turns to summer, summer turns to autumn, autumn turns to winter and eventually winter becomes spring again. The years roll by and the Earth keeps spinning around the Sun.

Why, though, do these different seasons of the year occur? The simple answer is that it's due to the Earth being tilted at an angle of about 23.5° and to its rotation around the Sun...."

    Below is a picture from Wikipedia Encyclopedia that illustrates the Earth's 23.5º tilted axis.  It is substantially from this tilted axis that we have our seasons:

    Therefore—and not limiting God, of course—but God would have to tip the planet 23.5 degrees to terminate the seasons—this would have a drastic effect upon the Earth and its inhabitants, kind of like suddenly jerking a saucer full of water while your walking with it.

    So, if the seasons are not to cease, then we must search for our answer in another place.  That is to say, we have to determine what it is that has confused some people into thinking that the seasons were to end in the endtimes of our world here.  Perhaps we can find the source of the confusion in the book of Daniel. 

    Daniel makes a parenthetical statement while he is praising God for giving him information that will save his life and the life of his fellows from the hand of the king of Babylon.  Below, in Daniel's prayer of blessing to God he reveals a fact that could have only been known to him by Divine revelation; Daniel states of God that "he changeth the times and the seasons".  I believe that your Bible study friends may have gotten their (miss-) interpretation of the "seasons changing" from this Scripture.  And after we view the statement in context we shall supply additional Scripture documenting the precise meaning of that which Daniel unwittingly revealed.

    Daniel's statement is in bold and underlined below:    

Dan 2:17-24
17 Then Daniel went to his house, and made the thing known to Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah, his companions:
18 That they would desire mercies of the God of heaven concerning this secret; that Daniel and his fellows should not perish with the rest of the wise men of Babylon.
19 Then was the secret revealed unto Daniel in a night vision. Then Daniel blessed the God of heaven.
20 Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his:
21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:
22 He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.
23 I thank thee, and praise thee, O thou God of my fathers, who hast given me wisdom and might, and hast made known unto me now what we desired of thee: for thou hast now made known unto us the king's matter.
24 Therefore Daniel went in unto Arioch, whom the king had ordained to destroy the wise men of Babylon: he went and said thus unto him; Destroy not the wise men of Babylon: bring me in before the king, and I will shew unto the king the interpretation.  KJV

    Before we  go into the meaning of the phrase, "changeth the times and the seasons"—namely: change what times and what seasons?—we should note that Daniel spoke of many things by Divine revelation, things that he spoke of as being sure and true but that he himself did not fully understand.  For Daniel informs us that he himself could not comprehend the deep meaning of the things which the Holy Spirit had caused him to teach US through the Scriptures recorded under his name in the Old Testament prophet's book of Daniel:

Dan 12:8-10
8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the
[interpretation of the] words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
10  
[And at that time (during the endtimes)] Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried [i.e., tested.  Don't overlook that, Christian; we shall be tested during the Tribulation (Rev 2:10, etc.)]; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.  KJV

    So, Daniel spoke of events that were to transpire during the endtimes, a time that Jesus would later identify as the "Great Tribulation" (Mat 24:21), and which God Himself described to Jeremiah as "the time of Jacob's trouble" (Jer 30:7 [and to set the time, to rightly divide as to time, see Vrs. 24]).

    This all is another sure proof of the Divine nature of the Bible and its prophetic contents, including notably, the book of Revelation, the last book of the prophets.  So very often this is the case: the prophet (or apostle, etc.) speaks and writes things which he does not, nor could he have possibly known on his own—then these things come to pass.  For instance, Jesus informs His disciples, one of which wrote a Gospel (Matthew); and another who wrote a Gospel, three Epistles, and the book of Revelation (John), and yet another who wrote two Epistles (Peter), that it was not for them to understand certain things, though we certainly see them writing of such matters in their written works in the Bible:

Acts 1:1-9
1 The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,
2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:
3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.  KJV

    Jesus in His above oration supplies to us the key to interpreting that which Daniel by revelation spoke in a cipher.  I refer to the "times and the seasons" that God has put under His power to change.

    In verse six above the disciples ask Jesus, "Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?" to which in the next verse He answers "It is not for you to know the times or the seasons"; thus illustrating that the "the times or [and] the seasons" are regarding the restoration of the "kingdom to Israel".

    What is meant by the restoration of "the kingdom of Israel"?  Today it means the Second Advent, the end of this flesh realm, and going on into the millennium (the 1000 years of Rev 20) and ultimately into the eternal Heavenly kingdom.

    But what the disciples did not understand when they asked that question (and that which they perhaps never fully understood until after Christ sent them the Holy Spirit to teach and guide them as they set up Christianity) was that the King was to be rejected and murdered, Jesus was to be crucified and rejected by His own of the kingdom, and that the kingdom would no more be of this flesh world.  "Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence." (John 18:36).  Therefore the kingdom was to be put in abeyance (i.e., "not yet") and set for another day, and another way:  "And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband." (Rev 21:2).

    This is one of the problems in trying to merge fellowship and doctrine between Jews and Christians.  The Judaics say (but those who understand the Talmud know better) that they are waiting for the First Advent of Messiah and they say that they rely on the Old Testament prophecies to not have been in the least fulfilled.  (Hebrews chapter eight describes the change from the Old Covenant to the the New Covenant—this the Judaics and Talmudists ought to look into if understanding and salvation are their desire.) 

    Conversely, the Christians know that the Messiah already came and was killed by the Jews who still till this day reject Him, and they know that a great many of the Old Testament prophecies have already been fulfilled in Jesus Christ at His First Advent.  The Christians also have the benefit of God's further revelation—the New Testament—which teaches them what is to transpire now that Messiah has been murdered.  The Jew's doctrine leaves them no thought on Messiah being killed, though it is written in several places in the Old Testament Hebrew Scriptures.  But it is not in the Jewish Talmud, which is Judaism's highest holy book according to leading rabbis, contrary to popular misrepresentation.  In fact—and get ready to be floored—in the Talmud the Jews collectively themselves are said to be the messiah, the messiah of Talmudic Judaism is not any Godly Messiah spoken of in the Hebrew Scriptures of the Old Testament of God's Bible.  From Judaism's Talmud:  “The Messiah [is] without metaphor, the Jewish people.― Jewish Babylonian Talmud, Kethuboth, 111a.  See the above at footnote #4 on the facsimile of the actual Talmud page there, which reads verbatim:

“[H]; 'but the more correct reading is [H] (Moore, G.F., Judaism II 361, n. 2). [H] 'frequent in modern Christian books is fictitious' (loc. cit.). The 'sufferings' or 'travail' are more fully described in Sanh. 97b, Sonc. ed. p. 654. These are the 'throes of mother Zion which is in labor to bring forth the Messiah — without metaphor, the Jewish people' (Moore, loc. cit. text).”[1]


[1] Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Kethuboth, Folio 111a (¶12).  On-line source: http://www.come-and-hear.com/kethuboth/kethuboth_111.html#chapter_xiii (Footnote #52 [renumbered]).

    Now perhaps it can be understood why we get so upset here when we see Christians trying to fellowship in a religious setting with Judaics (ecumenism).  And also how that the so-called religion of "Judeo-Christianity" is so impossible, a virtual conflict of terms.  Judaism and Christianity are as different as night is from day.  Moving on....

    We have some work on the matter of what changed when Christ was rejected and killed; which admittedly, we have heard few if any Christian scholars advocate.  But that's okay, eventually they will have to come on-board.  It's just new, and Christian scholars don't like "new," unless it's errant (like the Rapture theory, babbling in tongues, Mother Mary worship, etc.).  The teaching I speak of (which I touched upon in the previous Q & A on this page [Question #2] regarding Zech 8:23) is detailed at:

   Simply stated, regarding the apostle's/disciple's question as to the restoration of "the kingdom of Israel", it refers to what we today would call "the end."  That is to say the end of the world as we now know it, marked by the Second Advent.  In the Old Testament times and even in the time mentioned above when the apostles spoke of "the kingdom," they were still going by the Old Testament prophecies regarding the time when God would restore His chosen people Israel to their former greatness; restore their land to them from the Nile River to the Euphrates River to the Mediterranean sea, to the entering in (the border) of Hamath; and He would enjoy their restored faith and obedience1; all of which they lost when they fell through idolatry into captivity and alienation from God.  It is this that all the prophets of old spoke of (in the Old Testament).  However, the visions and prophecies of the Old Testament was prerequisite on Israel accepting, worshipping, and obeying the Messiah from God.  For Messiah to lead the people they must follow.  This they did not do.  Even people of true Israel (and true Judah) in Christ's time allowed themselves in Jerusalem to be deceived by the impostor Jews2, and because of that, "But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus." (Matt 27:20) even true Israel and Judah peoples shouted "crucify him, crucify him" (Luke 23:21), thus fulfilling the prophecy: "He came unto his own, and his own received him not." (John 1:11 [the fulfillment of Isa 53:3 and Psm 69:8]).

Footnotes from above paragraph                       
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It will be noticed with even a cursory glance that none of these thinks happened in or since May 14, 1948 when, as it is errantly referred to as "Israel once again became a nation."  Thus proving that the "Israel" of today in Palestine is not of God and is not the fulfillment of any prophecies regarding God's chosen people Israel.  Consider these facts regarding the modern day nation state of so-called Israel:

  • the so-called "Jews" that are there today are over 50% Atheist (i.e., "Secular Jews");

  • the nation itself is a secular nation, not a religiously governed one, not the theocracy (God-governed) that restored Israel was to be;

  • the land mass in this impostor nation is a mere pittance compared to the vast promised land that true Israel was to receive, and they losing more ground as we speak, ready almost to give up Eastern Jerusalem and the Temple Mount;

  • their enemies are surrounding them from within and without.  While on the other hand, God had promised (true) Israel that their enemies would be beaten down for them;

  • it is peopled by false "Jews" (Khazars) who have a closer blood relationship to Genghis Khan and Attila The Hun than to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob;

  • and they are a welfare state surviving only on American handouts and swindled Reparation monies.

    In short, what is there today masquerading as "Israel" is not the fulfillment of any Old Testament Scripture regarding Israel or the Israel people.  The whole mess is one big lie, as are the people there.  The only place Jerusalem, Israel shall have in prophecy is when the antichrist (satan) sits there showing himself that he is God (2nd Thes 2:4, Rev 11:8, etc.).  Thus we will have an impostor state (Israel), with an impostor people (Jews), hosting an impostor god (satan/antichrist).

2 The Pharisees, chief priests, and scribes, were in the main Kenites (descendants of Cain whom God had cursed); and Herod, the "Jew's" king, was an Idumean (of Esau, whom God hated).  Thus, just as at the First Advent, the people that most think today are "God's chosen" are actually the descendants of those that are God's enemies—the murderers of the prophets, the apostles, and most all, the murderers of God (when He came in the flesh as Jesus Christ).  I refer to the fake Jews that Jesus warned His people of in Rev 2:9 and 3:9; "...them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie...." (Rev 3:9), but His people reject the dire warnings today, to their own eventual undoing.

    I refer above to the so-called Judeo-Christians (an impossible term and an even more impossible religion) and the Christian Zionists of modern times.  These are two Trojan Horses through which the antichrists are sneaking into the heart of Christianity to neuter and spoil it.  The early Christians (and Bible-based Christians today) know that the Jews are the great enemies of Christianity and have sought to destroy the religion from the day they set their hands to destroy its Leader, the Messiah Jesus Christ.  Today, Christians—most of them anyway—have allowed themselves to be seduced into almost a form of worshipping the Jews.  This is sin.  The Catholic Church, Pastor John Hagee and his apostate Evangelicals (Christian Zionists), and whole swaths of various-denominations Christian churches (Judeo-Christians) have betrayed Christ and would have as their friend murderers; just like those in Christ's time who condemned Jesus Christ and took unto themselves the murderer Barabbas.

    Getting back on topic...

    So, we see that Jesus Divinely interpreted Daniel's statement in Daniel 2:21: "And he [God]  changeth the times and the seasons", to mean that God would change "the times and seasons" of the times regarding restoring "again the kingdom to Israel" as stated in Acts 1:6 which we covered earlier.  And that is to say that god would alter the prophetic time table in the tribulation.  In closing, Jesus informs us of this Divine providence change on God's part.  The change of the "times and seasons" of Daniel's revelation are accomplished here:

Matt 24:3-22
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened
[i.e., changing the "time" and "season"], there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.  KJV

    Understanding this fact is extremely important in any work regarding endtime timelines.  In fact, it is the very master key, without which no proper interpretation of the book of Revelation is possible.

    Well, I hope that I answered your question.  I ran-on a little longer than I wanted to, but I always do that.  :o)

    Blessings to your little home Bible study group, would to God that more Christians got together to study God's Word instead of falling asleep in church listening to some man's words which are not the same as what's found in god's bible.  But church is good and should be supported both by attendance and offerings—if they teach God's Word, that is.  But as many of you know from your own searches, it is night unto impossible to find a church nowadays that actually agrees with the Bible in their teachings.  And many of you have experienced persecution and shunning from fellow Christians when you insisted on upholding the Bible over the teachings of some preacher, if the two should differ.  These things are all prophesied marks of the endtimes:

2 Tim 3:12-4:4
12   Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13   But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14   But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15   And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16   All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17  That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2   Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3   For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4   And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.  KJV

    How prophetic that Scripture is for TODAY!

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Eugenics, Euthanasia, and our children's generation.  Featuring the Yale University "Abortion Artist"

 


A (male) reader writes:

Hey Nick,
I have a question for you regarding eugenics. I've seen Alex Jones' film 'End Game: Blueprint for Global Enslavement' on your site several times now.
 
I don't doubt the kenites secret plan with 'global environmentalism' is not only to unite all peoples in the 'save the planet effort'--a type for one worldism in itself, but also the darker agenda of eugenics in the 3rd world etc.
 
My question is is there any other documentation besides Alex Jones work (like another DVD or book on it or something) that shows RECENTLY plans being implemented on eugenics in Africa and etc? I am aware of Kissinger's statements on that he wants to reduce the world's population 80-90%. 
 
Also, I'm curious what your thoughts are on Alex Jones. He does mention Rockefeller and Rothschild but never the role the ultra wealthy International Judaics play in world affairs. Is he just being wise by trying to appeal to the uneducated masses with omitting that, or do you think he could be a plant?? Just curious. Much of his stuff seems right on but there's that small percent that I feel he's off on.
 
Thanks.
[Xxxxx]

 

Answer:

Hi [Xxxxxx].  The Eugenics Movement got its start by Margaret Sanger (1879-1966) who also advocated sterilizing Blacks; and who along with her Jewish friend, Emma Goldman, was an early proponent of Abortion "rights."  Abortion is a form of Eugenics.  And it is thence that Feminism sprung—the ultimate "empowered woman."  Both of the above two wretched women were 'founding mothers' of Feminist ideology.  The whole Women's Movement is fraught with sin and debauchery, most notably the Free Sex Movement of the 1960's, the Abortion Movement of the 1970's, the Turn-Style ("no-fault") Divorce Movement of the 1980's, the Lesbian/Homosexual "Gay-Adoption/Artificial Insemination" Movement of the 1980's ff., the No-Marry/Single Mother By Choice Movement of the 1990's, the Gay Marriage/Civil Unions Movement of the 2000's, and etc.

    The secret design of all of these above movements is the destruction of the Biblical family model, and thus the destruction of every generation of Christian youth after them.  There is nothing else, there is no other reason behind it.  Hell fell to earth in the 1960's, and it landed in America.  The last Christian generation has already been born; what follows is Luciferian.  We have birthed the generation that shall worship satan/antichrist in the thirteenth chapter of the book of Revelation and in 2nd Thessalonians chapter two specifically, and spoken of by Christ in the Gospels generally (Matt 24, Luke 21, Mark 13.).  We allowed them to grow up godless in a Judaic-controlled society stripped of God, Christ, Christianity, and Bible—and void of moral absolutes or even of the accepting of the concept of absolute truth—and we shall quake in wonderment when they seek to destroy us.  We did not even see it when we were allowing the endtime generation to rise-up against us Christians and God and Christ.  But what did we expect when a child is from the womb turned against God, Christ, and Christianity; and turned towards violent virtual-slaughter video games, the normalization of Homosexuality, and the total lack of anything like a moral compass; and religious pluralism where everything called a religion is equal and legitimate with today's only God-approved religion—Christianity, and where everything that is called a god is equal with the One True God of the Christian Bible (both Testaments)?  Where did we think that our betrayers were to come from?  Who did we think would be the ones turning us in to satan's endtime minions for "conversion" to antichrist/satan?

Matthew 10:34-36 [Jesus speaking]
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.  KJV

    And satan is in each of those aforementioned Judaic-founded/funded/controlled "Social 'Liberation' Movements."  "Liberating" into what?  Misery and hell?  The so-called "modern liberated woman" of today cannot find her counterpart in the Bible (except for in the worst of examples).  But the modern empowered woman of today cannot be  bothered with God's Bible nor burdened with Biblical gender roles—she's being "all that she can be," and certainly "she's come a long way," alright!  The "glass ceiling" was really a mirror, and she ain't gonna like what she sees in herself when she crashes through to the other side.  And she is in great danger on Judgment Day.  But I do not judge.  The Scriptures of Life judge the "modern woman" and the wimp men that allowed them to become what they are.  For every whorish woman there is a guilty wanton man who made them, for every abortion there is a complacent male who allowed it, for every base woman there is a enabling society, for every prostitute a male customer.  No one is innocent, we all have blood on our hands.  And it is men who, perhaps seeing their own liberty and power in the below Scripture, that read right over the responsibilities implied in it:

1 Corinthians 11:3
3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.  KJV

Genesis 3:16
16 Unto the woman
[Eve] he [God] said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.  KJV

    Well, God doesn't "read over" responsibility.  Men shall also be visited on Judgment Day with the sins of whoredoms a many, adulteries, and abortions.  Remember Adam.

Genesis 3:17-19
17 And unto Adam he
[God] said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.  KJV

1 Timothy 2:9-15
9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.  KJV

    Moving on...

    Eugenics is the killing-off of "the less fit," or selective breeding by destroying the "less desirable" before they can "stain the gene pool" or burden the national coffers with their medical care or incarceration.  Hitler gets blamed for this, when it was really Liberal International Jews who constructed the idea.  When the modern day dumbed-down (you-know-who-controlled "modern education") person thinks of Eugenics they are trained to think Nazis, never seeming to notice that in their modern-day nation of America abortion is legal and government financed (including Christian's tax monies!), and that on the laid-back Liberal (Socialist) West Coast, like in Oregon for instance, Euthanasia is legal!  Hitler would blush at "Christian" America's descent.

    On a side note; consider another pitiful product of the Judaic-controlled Liberal universities: the below young Jewish feminist, Aliza Shvarts, and her "Abortion Art:

For senior, abortion a medium for art, political discourse
by Martine Powers
Yale Daily News
April 17, 2008

Source

Art major Aliza Shvarts '08 wants to make a statement.

Pictured: Ms. Aliza Shvarts, a Jewish Feminist, Lesbian-Rights Activist, and "Abortion Artist."  See a video of her giving the above university Soap-Box speech.

Beginning next Tuesday, Shvarts will be displaying her senior art project, a documentation of a nine-month process during which she artificially inseminated herself "as often as possible" while periodically taking abortifacient drugs to induce miscarriages [abortions]. Her exhibition will feature video recordings of these forced miscarriages as well as preserved collections of the blood from the process.

The goal in creating the art exhibition, Shvarts said, was to spark conversation and debate on the relationship between art and the human body. But her project has already provoked more than just debate, inciting, for instance, outcry at a forum for fellow senior art majors held last week. And when told about Shvarts' project, students on both ends of the abortion debate have expressed shock — saying the project does everything from violate moral code to trivialize abortion.

But Shvarts insists her concept was not designed for "shock value."

"I hope it inspires some sort of discourse," Shvarts said. "Sure, some people will be upset with the message and will not agree with it, but it's not the intention of the piece to scandalize anyone."

The "fabricators," or donors, of the sperm [these men are partakers in the sin of Ms. Shvarts' mass-murder] were not paid for their services, but Shvarts required them to periodically take tests for sexually transmitted diseases. She said she was not concerned about any medical effects the forced miscarriages may have had on her body. The abortifacient drugs she took were legal and herbal, she said, and she did not feel the need to consult a doctor about her repeated miscarriages.

Shvarts declined to specify the number of sperm donors she used, as well as the number of times she inseminated herself.... [continued at source: http://yaledailynews.com/story.html]  Story also featured at: Art student 'induced miscarriages for university project', and, Yale Art Major Aliza Shvarts Debuts Abortion Art Project, and etc.]

    Comment is superfluous.  Moving on...

    Euthanasia is the killing-off of the old and diseased, those that are deemed to "not have a worthwhile existence," like that poor state-murdered (in a most cruel and painful manner—dehydration) Terry Shiavo—in a Christian nation bearing "In God We trust" on their money, no less!  Later-on, Euthanasia shall include those "too expensive" for the Judaic-underwritten insurance companies and hospitals to keep alive or too allow to grow into adulthood (don't think that in-the-womb testing is not for a reason!).  And American Christians think that God smiles on America!  Hardly.  Would you smile on a nation that has done all the things in the above paragraphs? 

    And not trying to be a 'teaser' here, but in my upcoming book I am devoting an entire section to the Eugenics Movement.  So I will stop here, as I would rather wait and present a more complete picture. 

    As regarding Alex Jones:  I do not know him nor have I personally spoken to him; however, when I see anyone speaking of the endtime conspiracies and NOT even mention "the Jews," as those they do not even exist; then I know that I am listening to a deceiver or a coward.  Neither of which is appealing to me.  But I do check into Jones' Website every so often, as he does have some good info sometimes.  You know: "Even a broken watch is correct twice each day."  This would also include Conservative commentators like Hannity, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, etc., and just about every Christian preacher that appears on television or speaks from the pulpit nowadays.  I wouldn't follow-a-one of the aforementioned even to a free lunch, much less to enlightenment! 

    Peace to you in Christ Jesus.

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Regarding the changes on the title page

 

A (Christian pastor) writes:

Dear Nick,

First thank you for the site.  It helped me in studying out a few nuggets regarding the Greek preposition sun meaning 'with, together' and seeing Scroggie's The Companion Bible was reassuring.

I really like the word 'watchmen.'  We used to sing a group song in college called "Watchmen of the Holy City" taken from its roots in Isaiah and I happen to love it as a word.

However I gotta tell you though and I doubt I'm the first but the name 'Watchmen' is among us Christian folk a sadly tainted word unless heavily imbedded in context.  It sticks out like sore thumb as the first word of your site and group and reminds one of the Jehovah False-Witnesses.  I even thought to myself I'm getting off this site its a JW propaganda site but told myself "Ah, at least they are borrowing their info from The Companion Bible so the info will be safe.  I immediately thought the site was for training JW's how to withstand the multitude of Greek arguments they must get themselves into.  Glad I stuck around and read the Statement of Faith to learn different but most people and myself included only stay on a site for a second or two if something looks not to their liking.  I'd advise losing the name Watchmen and not risk losing another searcher for the wrong reasons.

When starting a church a while back I would've loved to use the word 'Christian' in the name of the church but couldn't because its tied for now with those in the Church of Christ and teachings of baptismal regeneration among other things.  I could've just said, 'Oh well they'll figure it out.'  A prudent man forsees the evil and avoids it.

Sorry for the reprimand.  I don't mean too!   Really just trying to help and well meaning brother.

Take care, [Xxxxxx]


Answer:

Hello pastor [Xxxxx].  You are not the first person to mention this, and when I read your E-mail I was moved to make a change on the title page so as to remove any confusion as to our mission [Biblestudysite.com].  Thank you very much for the input, and I pray that you are blessed in the Lord's Good Work.  Below are the changes:

 

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 The Strong Delusion and Great Tribulation of the endtimes

 

A (female) reader writes:

Subject: Ekhart Tolle & Ophar
Hi,  My name is [xxxxxxx] and I got your information and watched the video with Ophar & Erkhart Tolle [re-supplied below] I just need your thoughts on the scripture “I will send them strong delusion” [2nd Thess 2:11] and if this is the beginning of Strong Delusion.  This has been on my mind for quite some time and our wonderful God is showing me that Christ is nowhere to be seen in all of this.

Regards

[Xxxxxx]

[The reader is referring to the below video we featured in our New Materials Section:]

"Church of Oprah" exposed as New Age antichristian false doctrine

 Video 6:54 Min. long

 

Answer:

 

Hello [Xxxxxx].  We have an expository study on the type of “doctrine” that Oprah is helping to spread.  It is called “New Age” doctrine but it isn't new.  It is a ‘resurrection’ of the old Jewish Gnostic heresies.  Observe the false doctrine exposed in this study and you will see that it is nigh akin to Oprah’s sinful doctrine.  Satan is behind them all.  See our:  Anatomy of a False Doctrine 

 

    And while I do feel there is more and more delusion in the Christian world as the days run-up to the Great Tribulation (Mat 24:21 below), I do not feel that this "is the big one," so to speak.  The ultimate strong delusion (see Scripture below) will be when satan sits as God (impersonating God) in the (yet to be rebuilt) Jerusalem Temple, and the people worship him as though he were God Himself. 

2 Thessalonians 2

1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him [the 2nd Advent],

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ [the 2nd Advent] is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day [the 2nd Advent] shall not come, except [until after] there come a falling away [apostasy in the Greek] first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition [satan/antichrist];

4 [satan/antichrist] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he [satan/antichrist] as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders [see Rev 13:13-15 for these false 'miracles],

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

13 But we [Christians] are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel [the Holy Bible, God's written Word], to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle [the Holy Bible, God's written Word].

16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,

17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.  KJV

 

Revelation 13:2-6

2 And the beast [the first (of two) beasts, the "New World Order"] which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon [the second beast, satan/antichrist] gave him [the first beast] his [it's] power, and his seat, and great authority.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

4 And they worshipped the dragon [satan/antichrist] which gave power unto the beast [the "New World Order"]: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.  KJV

    Jesus warned us Christians of that above deception of satan and the difficult endtimes to come: 

Matthew 24:8-25 [Jesus speaking]

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) [this is a direct correlation to 2nd Thes 2:4 above]
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For [because of the fact that] there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and  [they] shall shew great signs and wonders [*today's endtime Christian must be prepared to resist this coming endtime deception!]; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.  KJV

    Shortly after that, Jesus returns to claim His believers (1st Thess 4:17), and with His host of Heaven army deposits this satan/antichrist into the pit and makes a short work of destroying evil off of the earth.  Below IS the Second Advent of Jesus Christ: 

Revelation 19:11-20:3 

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND Lord OF Lords. 

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. 

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him [*today's endtime Christian must be prepared to resist this coming endtime deception!], with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone

21 And the remnant [all the rest on the earth] were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

 

20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.  KJV

    That is how "the world" shall see the Second Advent; below is another look at the Second Advent of Jesus Christ from a Christian's perspective.  Here is how the Second Advent shall be for the faithful Christians who made it through the Tribulation without taking the mark of the beast thereby not betraying Jesus Christ.  Below are the faithful at Christ's second (and only remaining) coming:

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep
[deceased], that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope [the unbelievers].
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again
[and we do], even so them also which sleep [die] in [faith in] Jesus will God bring with him [with Jesus].
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord
[this phrase means that it is a prophetic utterance—from God Himself], that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord [those endtime Christians who are living on the earth at the moment of the Second Advent] shall not prevent [precede] them which are asleep [them which are already dead from times past].
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain
[endtime Christians who weathered the Tribulation and remained faithful] shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever [forever] be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. KJV

    I hope to see every one of you there!

    Oprah Winfrey is a non-Christian worldly fraud, in whom satan has found fertile ground to rise up another of the many coming endtime deceivers.  And so very many women today—who hang on Oprah's every word—shall follow her into hell if they aren't careful.  Oprah is hardly a suitable venue for religious truth.  Her program is one long line of guests who are hell-bound unbelievers, New Agers, "self-help" gurus, and spiritists, leading today's rudder-less women into perdition.  And most of today's "modern liberated" bloody women (abortionists to the one, almost), which make up the bulk of Oprah'ites, have cast aside the Bible as God's immutable truth and are deservedly being turned to lies:

2 Thessalonians 2:8-12
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth [contained nowhere else but in God's Bible], that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.  KJV

    All sins today are forgivable by repenting to God in Jesus Christ's name.  No repentance = no forgiveness.  No belief in Jesus = no forgiveness.  No forgiveness = no eternal life in Heaven with God.

Luke 13:1-9
1 There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.
2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?
3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
6 He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none.
7 Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground?
8 And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it:
9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.  KJV

    What is this parable?  And what is this "fruit" that is spoken of?  Let us learn from the mouth of the Master Himself as He instructs the early Christians (in this case the disciples, and later—us):

John 15: 1-27 [Jesus speaking]
1 I
[Jesus] am the true vine, and my Father [Almighty God] is the husbandman [Farmer, Owner of the field].
2 Every
[both then and now; i.e., this pertains to Christians of all times, and not just the Twelve Disciples] branch [person] in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch [person] that beareth fruit, he [God] purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me
[they did--they murdered Him on a cross], they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying [they didn't], they will keep yours also.
21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him
[Almighty God] that sent me [Messiah Jesus Christ].
22 If I had not come and spoken unto them
[but He did], they had not had sin: but now [since Messiah did come] they have no cloke for their sin.
23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also
[This includes every Jew, Muslim, Atheist, etc.].
24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did
[but He did], they had not had sin: but now [since Messiah did do those things] have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.
25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause
[fulfilling Old Testament Psalms 35:19 & 69:4].
26 But when the Comforter
[the Holy Spirit which is in all true Christians today; see John 14:16] is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth [the Holy Spirit of God; see John 14:17], which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.  KJV

    Peace to you in Christ Jesus.

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"Google" is becoming Orwellian

 

A reader writes:

Got this return e-mail from my son in Holland, who's doing his Master's Degree in IT [Information Technology] and Media design, after I sent him your article [Internet content-blockers and filters (censors) blocking out WBSG Website].

Regards. [X.X.]

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Subject: RE: Internet content-blockers and filters (censors) blocking out Websites
Scary shit.... Aside from that...Google IS the Big Brother of the future, no question it's going to totally screw us over one day, George Orwell-style....The sad thing is I still use it.....A LOT...

1. Google's immortal cookie: Google was the first search engine to use a cookie that expires in 2038. This was at a time when federal websites were prohibited from using persistent cookies altogether. Now it's years later, and immortal cookies are commonplace among search engines; Google set the standard because no one bothered to challenge them. This cookie places a unique ID number on your hard disk. Anytime you land on a Google page, you get a Google cookie if you don't already have one. If you have one, they read and record your unique ID number.

2. Google records everything they can: For all searches they record the cookie ID, your Internet IP address, the time and date, your search terms, and your browser configuration. Increasingly, Google is customizing results based on your IP number. This is referred to in the industry as "IP delivery based on geolocation."

3. Google retains all data indefinitely: Google has no data retention policies. There is evidence that they are able to easily access all the user information they collect and save.

4. Google won't say why they need this data: Inquiries to Google about their privacy policies are ignored. When the New York Times (2002-11-28) asked Sergey Brin about whether Google ever gets subpoenaed for this information, he had no comment.

5. Google hires spooks: Matt Cutts, a key Google engineer, used to work for the National Security Agency. Google wants to hire more people with security clearances, so that they can peddle their corporate assets to the spooks in Washington.

6. Google's toolbar is spyware: With the advanced features enabled, Google's free toolbar for Explorer phones home with every page you surf, and yes, it reads your cookie too. Their privacy policy confesses this, but that's only because Alexa lost a class-action lawsuit when their toolbar did the same thing, and their privacy policy failed to explain this. Worse yet, Google's toolbar updates to new versions quietly, and without asking. This means that if you have the toolbar installed, Google essentially has complete access to your hard disk every time you connect to Google (which is many times a day). Most software vendors, and even Microsoft, ask if you'd like an updated version. But not Google. Any software that updates automatically presents a massive security risk.

7. Google's cache copy is illegal: Judging from Ninth Circuit precedent on the application of U.S. copyright laws to the Internet, Google's cache copy appears to be illegal. The only way a webmaster can avoid having his site cached on Google is to put a "noarchive" meta in the header of every page on his site. Surfers like the cache, but webmasters don't. Many webmasters have deleted questionable material from their sites, only to discover later that the problem pages live merrily on in Google's cache. The cache copy should be "opt-in" for webmasters, not "opt-out."

8. Google is not your friend: By now Google enjoys a 75 percent monopoly for all external referrals to most websites. Webmasters cannot avoid seeking Google's approval these days, assuming they want to increase traffic to their site. If they try to take advantage of some of the known weaknesses in Google's semi-secret algorithms, they may find themselves penalized by Google, and their traffic disappears. There are no detailed, published standards issued by Google, and there is no appeal process for penalized sites. Google is completely unaccountable. Most of the time Google doesn't even answer email from webmasters.

9. Google is a privacy time bomb: With 200 million searches per day, most from outside the U.S., Google amounts to a privacy disaster waiting to happen. Those newly-commissioned data-mining bureaucrats in Washington can only dream about the sort of slick efficiency that Google has already achieved.

 

Answer:

Thank you so much, definitely need-to-know material!  All the more fearsome is the fact that Google was founded by two well-financed Judaics, one of which formerly ran a soft-porn Website before making it big with Google.

    To say that the International Judaics have access to our most private and personal data is to state the obvious.  And the potential is definitely there for the Int. Judaics to plant files (evidence) on anyone's hard drive and then secretly pass it on to whatever authorities would be interested in prosecution.  Perhaps endtime Christians will be set-up in this manner for arrest and removal to dissident "reeducation" camps?  About two years ago there was a rash of Nationalists (Whites who defend what they see as 'traditional America') being arrested for possessing "kiddy-porn" on their computers.

    Now, maybe these three or four popular & vocal Anti-Jewish writers were really pedophile scumbags, maybe pedophilia is a symptom of "AntiSemitism," or perhaps they were just messing with the wrong Judaics.  Who knows?  But when Judaic-run Google, which is being allowed by U.S. Law Enforcement Agencies to wantonly violate privacy laws and Constitutional protections against illegal search & seizure, can access your hard drive and automatically download information, update, delete, and insert files onto your computer without permission or even their acknowledgement, what's to stop them from downloading something illegal or immoral onto your hard drive?  In the case of the Nationalists the end result is that they have been ostracized from popular Nationalist Movements and their once valuable and insightful writings are no longer referenced by other Nationalist luminaries for reasons which are obvious.  This also dealt a blow to Nationalist and Constitutionalist anti-Martial Law groups.

    Do me a favor if you will; since your son is working on his Master's Degree in Information Technology he surely is qualified to answer the following:  Please ask your son if it is possible for Google with existing technology and the programs that they are currently running to insert a file containing objectionable and illegal data onto a persons computer which that person has absolutely no knowledge of?

    Naturally I will not be using his (or your) name or other personal identifiers.

    Peace to you in Christ Jesus.

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The reader replies:

 

Subject: Copy of the email I received from my son on Google et all.
"Hi Dad.  Yes of course it is possible for Google, or anyone on the web for that matter, to plant files on your harddrive. Think of all the spyware that's on the net. Norton just gave me a notice that it has protected me against some 70.000 viruses/spyware/malware over the past three (!) months.

Spyware for instance, are executables (the worst kind) that run in the background without me knowing and report my (internet) behaviour to companies who somehow benefit from this information. If it is possible, behind my back, to download and install an executable then of course this will be possible to do with other file formats, including pictures and what not. Since Google would know your IP-address and since Google has (or can at least hire) very knowledgeable employees, they could also easily do a targeted attack...but this is just ordinary hacking. This is all possible. In the end it is just a computer.

But there are laws, for which you would have to find a law-student to explain, that prohibit this from happening. For all I know there's little you can do to prevent these things from happening. For the virus/spyware/malware problem you of course need the latest scanners.

You can also download programs ... which actually monitor every form of communication between your computer and the net via HTTP and keep track of the file formats that "enter" your computer. But, HTTP is just one of many protocols that can be used on the net.

If you are the victim of a targeted attack you're doomed and the only way to keep this from happening is to simply stay off the internet."

 

 

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What did Christ mean when He said, "Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?", in John 10:34)?

 

A reader writes:

Hi, Nick!

Thanks for the letter and I hope your shoulder is healing up well!  I know how busy you get and I hope I'm not being a nuisance to you right now, but I was hoping you could give me your input on a particular subject that I just recently came across in my studies.  Your opinion means a GREAT DEAL to me as you have been a major source of information for me in all my studies and you’ve helped me out tremendously in the past with questions that I didn’t have answers for.

 

You may already have an answer for this question already posted, but if you do, I haven't been able to find it yet.

 

Why is the entire first chapter of Genesis in dealing with the 6-day creation referring only to "God", or "Elohim" in the Hebrew, which is a plural meaning for God and the angels or gods, and the second chapter of Genesis is the first time the "Lord God" is used in the singular form of the Hebrew "Yehovah" being our emphatic Lord, Father and Creator??

 

Are the original manuscripts implying that God used His angels as “workers” for the 6-day creation (similar to an engineer who would use contractors for a construction project) or do I just not comprehend it correctly?  Is that why Genesis 1:26 says “Let Us make man in Our image”?  I guess this same concept might apply with Psalm 82:1, where it states that “God standeth in the congregation of the mighty and He judgeth among the gods”.  Am I right in assuming that God judges among His highest ranking angels?  (I also noticed that God uses the plural when He scattered the people’s language in Genesis 11:7.)  If this idea applies then it seems to somewhat connect with what many different ancient civilization texts imply about immortal beings (fallen angels) who were responsible for the development of life on earth (even though these are mythological beliefs).

 

I’m also aware that the new age movement is trying to use the Genesis scripture to support their beliefs that “aliens” (fallen angels) created mankind and that they will return to us in the future probably bringing about the false messiah.

 

I would very much appreciate your input on this subject because I know God can do ALL things on His own, but I’d like to know if it’s possible that He chose to use “workers” in His creation………………. Otherwise, if there is another explanation for this, I would sure like to learn it.

 

Thanks for everything you’ve been doing!

 

Your student and friend,

[Xxxxxxxxx]


Answer:

Hello [Xxxxx].  Thank you for the kind words.  I agree with your assessment of the situation.  And this would also explain the curious statement below by Christ: 

John 10:34-36
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?  KJV

Christ was quoting from the Old Testament:

Psalms 82:6-7
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.  KJV

god(s): Hebrew word #430 'elohiym (el-o-heem'); plural of OT:433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: [usages of the word in the] KJV - angels, exceeding, God (gods)- dess, -ly), (very) great, judges, mighty.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

BUT, He was referring to:

Exodus 22:28
28 Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.  KJV

    I say "referring to" because the Psalms Scripture which He quoted is not in the Law, nor in the Prophets, but in the Psalms (three divisions of the Old Testament books).  The book of Exodus is in the Law section of the Old Testament.  The Psalms statement can also be referenced in the below Scripture from the Law (first 5 books of Moses), where the Hebrew 'elohiym is translated in the KJV as judges:

Exodus 22:9
9 For all manner of trespass, whether it be for ox, for ass, for sheep, for raiment, or for any manner of lost thing, which another challengeth to be his, the cause of both parties shall come before the judges [#430 'elohiym]; and whom the judges [#430 'elohiym] shall condemn, he shall pay double unto his neighbour.  KJV

    Thus, when God stated in the Psalms, "I have said, Ye are gods," He was perfectly accurate by using the past tense (I have [before, already] said), because where He did refer to them as "gods" was in one of the 5 books of the Law, Exodus, which happened and was written before Psalms.  And Christ was accurate in adding the further information, "Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?"  You might easily take this to mean that Christ, as God in the flesh, was repeating what He had said in Psalms where He was referring to Exodus. 

    Also, Paul understood that 'elohiym in the Old Testament SOMETIMES refers to men of greater power or to exalted ones: 

Acts 23:4-5
4 And they that stood by said, Revilest thou God's high priest?
5 Then said Paul, I wist not, brethren, that he was the high priest: for it is written, Thou shalt not speak evil of the ruler of thy people.  KJV

    Paul was referring to:

Exodus 22:28
28 Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.  KJV

    I think that you did a good job of interpretation.  I like how you carefully chose your words, for it is very easy to be misunderstood when discussing these matters.  And I was glad to see that you mentioned the danger of misinterpreting this; for, the New Agers will think themselves to be "gods." 

    But we are not gods in the modern sense of the term; we are always to be sons, even in the eternity we are still "just" sons (both males and females; for there is no separate female form to an angel, angels are both in the same form, male, as are God and Jesus, and every angel in the Bible):

Revelation 21:1-7
21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.  KJV

    And in the above where I stated, "for there is no separate female form to an angel, angels are both in the same form, male, as is God and Jesus, and every angel in the Bible," that means that the souls of the human women shall be in Heaven in a "male-type" spiritual body.  This explains more in depth Christ's words in the below which I have highlighted:

Matthew 22:23-33
23 The same day came to him the Sadducees, which say that there is no resurrection, and asked him,
24 Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
25 Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother:
26 Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh.
27 And last of all the woman died also.
28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry [males], nor are given in marriage [females], but are as the angels of God in heaven.
31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
33 And when the multitude heard this, they were astonished at his doctrine.  KJV

    Peace to you in Christ Jesus.

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Chronology, the book of Revelation, and resurrection

 

 

A reader writes:

Subject: in regards to Rev 20:4
okay okay the souls of those beheaded and the souls who did not accept the mark will reign with Christ the Thousand years. So souls must mean we have been changed into our glorious bodies. Right??? So where is it we will reign with Christ. 

From what I have read Jesus will not return immediately because after the trumpet that is when satan is kicked out and the beast system is up and then the worship of his statue and the mark is giving to all those whom worship the beast. 

Then in Rev 14 the Lamb was standing on Mount Zion. 

You know what now I see where Pastor Arnold is getting the teaching because if we are reigning with Christ per Rev 20:4 for the thousand years then he is taking Ezekiel and stating that we will be helping our loved ones because we will be in the presence of God and Christ for the thousand years.


Answer:

Hello [Xxxxxx]:

May I just answer with statements as to what I see as your questions to be? 

Satan is kicked out of Heaven in the Fifth Trump (Rev 9:1), and is spoken of in (Rev 12:9). 

As to "glorious bodies:"  We all have within us our spiritual "body," it is our soul.  Strictly speaking, we do not have a soul, we are a soul.  We are currently in this flesh body which is limited in abilities, knowledge, and etc.  The moment that we die, this spiritual body; i.e., our soul, or "us" if you like, is released from this human vessel.  At that moment we are in the spiritual realm where God and the angels are.  Do not confuse "glorious bodies," as you refer to them as, or resurrected bodies, or spiritual bodies--whatever name you would call them—as being overcommers, saved eternally, Heaven-bound, or whatever other term you would like to use for those live forever with God. 

    Some of us (souls) are resurrected to eternal life, but so also are some others resurrected simply to be sent to the Lake of Fire for eternal destruction.

Daniel 11:45
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.  KJV

    So, contrary to the confusion taught in the churches, "resurrecting" is not always in a good sense.  Our life on this Earth is simply and only to determine if God is going to take us into the eternity with Him, or terminate us forever.  That is the great controversy, that is why you are alive today--to make a choice.  God sent us a book that tells us how to make the correct choices, it's called the Holy Bible. 

    And contrary to more confused church doctrine, "hell" is not the final destination of the damned; for even hell itself is cast into the Lake of Fire.  Therefore hell cannot be "the end."  It is the Lake of Fire that is the final destination of those who do not overcome.  Observe:

Revelation 20:12-15
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.  KJV
 

Revelation 21:7-8
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.  KJV

    What else?  Oh, Revelation 14 is in Heaven, not on the earth.  See verse 3 below.  These 144,000 are the martyrs who were killed.  In Revelation chapter seven they are alive on Earth, but in chapter fourteen they are in Heaven, and Christ doesn't arrive on Earth for His Second Advent until chapter nineteen.  Ergo, they died; they were "redeemed from the Earth" through death.  Observe:

Revelation 14:1-3
14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from
[apo, Grk. #575] the earth.  KJV

from: Greek word #575 apo (apo'); a primary particle; "off," i.e. away (from something near), in various senses (of place, time, or relation; literal or figurative):  KJV - (X here-) after, ago, at, because of, before, by (the space of), for (-th), from, in, (out) of, off, (up-) on (-ce), since, with. In composition (as a prefix) it usually denotes separation, departure, cessation, completion, reversal, etc.

(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

    And I am sure that you know that the book of Revelation is not in one big chronological order, and that subjects are carried through to the end, then the timeline goes back and other subjects are picked-up and carried forward, etc.  There are also parenthetical chapters that break from the chronology; your chapter twelve is one such parenthetical chapter.  And chapter eleven happens chronologically in the midst of chapter thirteen.  Etc.  One day I am going to prepare a chart with the chronological order of the book of Revelation, perhaps I'll put it in my upcoming book. 

    Concentration on the subject, and strict adherence to "rightly dividing" according to time and/or chronology is the only way that study of the book of Revelation will be fruitful or even sense-making. 

    I hope that you find this useful in your studies. 

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The reader replies:

Thank You for your prompt reply. 

I said that Rev 9:1, so is rev 9:1 going with rev 12:7?

Then what about rev 20:4 these are overcomers in this part right here so where will this reign be? Is it in earth or in heaven? The glorious and spiritual bodies you spoke about I am glad you put that in there. Pastor Arnold explains that also but I can never get it understand it when he says it. 

So I will go back over it and study that so that I have a full understanding according to the Word. 

Also how does one know when its breaking off in Revelation? 

Thank You for your service


Answer:

Hi again.  You asked:

"I said that Rev 9:1, so is rev 9:1 going with rev 12:7?"

    Yes, you are correct.  Rev 9 is the view of this event from Earth, and Rev 12 is the view of it from Heaven.  Observe:

Revelation 9:1-3
9 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star
[satan/antichrist] fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts
[fallen angels] upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.  KJV

Revelation 12:7-12
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon
[satan/antichrist] was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels [the locusts] were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.  KJV

    The thousand-year reign in Rev 20 shall be on this earth, as shall the eternity of Rev 21.  Everything happens here.  But this world will be transformed at that time.  Little is written to describe the exact nature of this transformation (but see 2nd Pet 3:10-12 below).  Perhaps we aren't to know.  Not to confuse matters, but may I also point out that Heaven is not a place, it is time

    Observe:

Revelation 21:1-2
21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.  KJV
 

2 Peter 3:5-13
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, [1st earth Age] being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now [2nd earth Age], by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. [3rd earth Age]  KJV

Revelation 21:1-2
21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: [3rd earth Age] for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.  KJV

     And not to be rude or anything, but I have to get to other duties and it may take some time for me to respond.  Please understand. 

    Have you seen our below studies in the below order—they may answer many of the questions that you are having. 

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A Gay reader tries to justify Homosexuality with Homosexual "love"

 

A (Gay male) reader writes:

Saw your email on a Christian site that talked against homosexuality, so just wondered if you knew where there was anything against same sex romantic love as I can't find anything on this in my bible.

[xxxxxx]


Answer:

Hello [Xxxxxx]. There is no such thing as "same-sex romantic love." There is only lust and confusion. You know yourself that fidelity in the Homosexual community is practically nil, more so on the male's side. The Homosexual and Lesbian sex act is nothing more than purposely self-defiling Sadomasochism, not love.  The "love" felt is the longing for acceptance of a father-figure, or the resentment of being abused/neglected/rejected by a father-figure. These people are spiritually and emotionally disturbed, they are not in love.  And up until the early 1970's, before the Judaics got in there and corrupted the science, Homosexuality was listed as a mental illness by the Psychiatric Association.

   The sin of Homosexuality is not in any of our "modern terms," it is in the sexual act itself.  Below is the definition of the sin, and that which all shall have to answer for on Judgment Day:

Leviticus 20:13
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.  KJV

    Consult also:

Leviticus 18:22
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.  KJV

Leviticus 18:22-25
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.  KJV

Deuteronomy 23:17
17 There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.  KJV

    And the Bible also identifies the Lesbian act as a sin as well, lest any female thinks that her "little petting" is without sin:

Romans 1:21-28
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature
[Lesbianism]:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly
[Homosexuality], and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;  KJV

    The only organizations that have had any success in getting people out of the spiritually corrosive Gay/Lesbian lifestyle are Christian groups, and that is because God helps them there.  See our article for some links to some of these Christian groups.

    Homosexuality is a vice, just like alcoholism, drug addiction, or whatnot, but it is more in the emotional realm, whereas the aforementioned are in the physical realm.  But the vice can be put down.  Nobody was "born Gay," they were "made" (tuned into) Gays by physical and/or emotional trauma. 

    (And the cross-gender hormone dosing from plastics and fertilizers is not helping the matter, either.  There is an environmental reason that male sperm counts are way down for the last twenty to thirty years, males are more docile, females more aggressive; and that females today are beginning menstruation as young as eight to ten years old.  This is the result of the inadvertent introduction of feminizing hormones into male and female children.  And this was not so accidental as you may think.)

    Also, thanks to the Liberal (Socialist) Judaics' Homosexualization campaigns, our children are being exposed to Homosexual indoctrination at very early ages in school "Sex-Ed" classes, where they are being enticed at a very confusing time in their lives into "trying" Gay sex as an "accepted alternative."  Children as young as 12-13 years old are being told by trusted school staff in Sex-Ed classes that they "don't know if they are Gay" until they "try it."   They then have the problem of identifying their first enjoyable sexual experience with a same-sex encounter, this does not easily leave their subconscious.

    You have heard of the college term "GUG?"  It is used primarily for females and means Gay Until Graduation.  These young women weren't born Gay, they aren't Gay, they were just being a different level of whore.  And they go on to marry men and have children (whom they raise to have the same moral deficit that they have).  They were enticed and indoctrinated by the you-know-whos in the corrupt Judaic-controlled education system and media empire of this corrupt nation.  Europe is no better.

    Everywhere that you find Christians you shall find the International Judaics corrupting their morals.  Behind every depravity you find a Judaic championing the movement.  Facts are facts; look into it: Feminism, the Homosexuality Movement, the 1960's Free-Sex Movement, Pedophilia legalization efforts, Abortion "rights," revolving-door "no fault" Divorce, Pornography, etc., ad nauseam—all founded by and top-heavy with Judaics.  Coincidence?  Hardly, the Judaics only make up 0.02 percent of the global population, yet they control everything.  You want the odds on that?  Try winning the State Lottery every day for a year.  In other words, it is impossible that it happened by chance.

    No, "you" weren't born Gay, "you" had a whole lot of help. 

    Prayer to God in Jesus Christ's name can cure" that ill.  Trust Him.

    Peace to you in Christ Jesus.

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The reader replies:

[WBSG Note: the reader has sent in several E-mails after the above, trying to say that a Homosexual "romantic relationship," presumably with loving affection, is not the same as the Homosexuality condemned and forbidden in God's Bible.  Below is the reader's most recent E-mail on the subject.]

The reader writes:

I take it you never did find where same sex romantic love is listed as a
sin then. I guess homophobia is all about hate and confusion then.

[Xxxxxxx]


Answer:

No [Xxxxxx], you are wrong.  And you are just trying to justify your sinning by playing word games with "Gay sex" verses "Gay love."  Delude yourself all you want, you still can't turn sin into righteousness, no matter how much you sugar coat it. 

    However, and ironically, in this corrupt endtime society it is you, the Sodomite, who is the 'good guy;' and it is me, the Christian, who is the 'bad guy.'  Soon they will be rounding-up people like me and imprisoning them for "hate speech."  And you will be the cool, hip, with-it, tolerant, diverse, blah, blah, blah, character. 

    It's your world, fashion it as you will.  I'm only living in it.  And when the Lord Jesus Christ returns He shall destroy all that offends. 

    Pray to God in Jesus' name to be released from your sinful addiction.  It is the only way.  And furthermore, if you didn't know deep inside that it is wrong, you wouldn't be worried about it.  It's called a conscience, and God gave it to you.  It's wrong, and you darn well know it. 

    Now, I'm not judging you, but I simply refuse to lie to you to be your friend.  I actually feel sorry for you, I know that it must be very difficult to be in your situation.  I couldn't handle it.  But if it were me, I wouldn't be trying to find "loopholes" in God's Law, I would be praying that He cleanse me of all impulses and desires which He finds offensive.  And that He turns me toward natural affections and away from unnatural affections

    You, and so many like you are the sad result of this endtime satanic-controlled world.  We as a society have basically rejected God and Christ, and in the below Scripture is the world that we received for our turning away from the Lord.  I could tell you who has ruined this world for satan, but then you'd just call me a so-called "AntiSemite."  Also in the below you may find your prohibition against Homosexual "love."  Below is why you are Gay; and in the preceding I have told you how to correct it:

Romans 1:18-32
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: [Lesbianism]
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, [Homosexuality] and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.  KJV

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The reader replies:

Sorry the Bible says you are wrong, not me. I think your argument is
becomming with God now, not me. Im a Christian anyway so Im saved. I rest
in that. I can see you don't because A you STILL have not found me a
scripture against same sex romantic love so condemn it anyway, you can
sugar coat a form of hate all you like but it will still be a form of hate.
Im saying this AS YOUR friend now. I won't lie. Gosh, Imagine I wanted to
say cats are wrong as there is no Bible text to mention cats or pets.
Imagine then if I said on the basis of a silence that anyone who had a cat
was evil. How daft does that sound?! And yet you are doing the very same
thing, you can't see where love is condemned for anyone but assume it is
for same sex couples anyway. Is that a fair and Christian thing to do do
you think?

[xxxxx]


Answer:

Hello.  Perhaps I do not understand what you are trying to say.  Please explain to me clearly what you mean by "same sex romantic love."  Is this "same sex romantic love" sexless?  Or do you mean that as long as a Gay couple are in romantic love that they are not violating the Homosexuality restrictions in the Bible, and that therefore their same-sex sexual relations are not a sin according to the Bible?  Please be blunt and clear.  Thank you.

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The reader replies:

Here are the definitions most agree with.
HOMOSEXUALITY; Is just one with just same sex attractions, its not a sex
act term.
SAME SEX LUST; Is same as straight lust, a fast burst of sexual energy, it
doesn't last.
SAME SEX ACTS; Is the real and proper term for gay sex or homosexual acts
wich are not proper terms.
SAME SEX ROMANBTIC LOVE; Is then the same as opposite sex romantic love, 2
people meet, fall in love, hold hands or/and kiss, write love poems or
songs etc, they may get a blessing (marriage) and then share a home and
MAYBE make love in a committed lifelong, monogomus and commited
relationship till death.

So...does the Bible condemn same sex romantic love in this then?

[Xxxxxxx]


Answer:

Hello; yes, it is absolutely condemned in the Bible for people of the same sex to "make love."  By warrant of:

Leviticus 20:7-16
7 Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I am the Lord your God.
8 And ye shall keep my statutes, and do them: I am the Lord which sanctify you.
9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.
10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
11 And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
12 And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them.
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
14 And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you.
15 And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast.
16 And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.   KJV

    You are trying to make verse 13 above to read: "except if they are in romantic love, then it is okay."  You just can't do that, you can't add your own conditions to the Scriptures.  You are only fooling yourself.  What you are doing is that you are trying to justify your Gay sex with your Gay emotional feelings.  That is like taking verse 10 above, which deals with adultery, and adding to the Scriptures: "unless the adulterers love each other, then it is okay."

    That doesn't work, does it?  Can't you see what you are doing?  You are trying to separate yourself, who is most likely in a monogamous Gay relationship, from the Gays that cruise the boy bars each night for new "lovers."  It dosn't matter, at the end of the day both you and the cruisers violate the commandment: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." (Lev 20:13).  And there is no getting around that.

    See also:

Genesis 19:5
5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them
[sodomy].  KJV

Leviticus 18:22
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.  KJV

Deuteronomy 23:17
17 There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.  KJV

Judges 19:22
22 Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial
[evil], beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him [sodomy].  KJV

Romans 1:26-27
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.  KJV

1 Corinthians 6:9
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators
[male homosexual prostitute (see below for definition)], nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate [see definitions below], nor abusers of themselves with mankind [sodomy],  KJV

fornicator: Greek word #4205 pornos (por'-nos); from pernemi (to sell; akin to the base of NT:4097); a (male) prostitute (as venal), i.e. (by analogy) a debauchee (libertine):  KJV - fornicator, whoremonger.

NT:4097  piprasko (pip-ras'-ko); a reduplicated and prolonged form of prao (prah'-o); (which occurs only as an alternate in certain tenses); contracted from perao (to traverse; from the base of NT:4008); to traffic (by travelling), i.e. dispose of as merchandise or into slavery (literally or figuratively): KJV - sell.
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effeminate: Greek word #3120  malakos (mal-ak-os'); of uncertain affinity; soft, i.e. fine (clothing); figuratively, a catamite:  KJV - effeminate, soft. (Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

cat·a·mite  n.
A boy who has a sexual relationship with a man.
[Latin catamītus, from Catamītus, Ganymede, from Etruscan Catmite, from Greek Ganumēdēs.]

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1 Timothy 1:10
10 For whoremongers
[male homosexual prostitute (same Greek word as fornicator above (#4205)], for them that defile themselves with mankind [sodomy], for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;  KJV

Jude 7
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh
[sodomy], are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.  KJV

    You stated that you are a Christian; okay, then pray to God in Jesus Christ's name to free you from this evil spirit of Homosexuality.  I will pray for you for a deliverance.    

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The reader replies:

Do you follow all of the old laws buy the way since you listed levitical
law? I mean do you agree with murder? You should as the old law commands we
murder any child who curses a parent and murder anyone who won't keep
saturdays holy as well as anyone who has any sex out of any marriage (lev
20;9-10 and ex 35;2) and murder any man (no lesbians) who have any same sex
acts (lev 20;13) so thats even an actor on TV then, no excuses, kill them
all. Do you agree to murder them all in this list?

[Xxxxxx]
 

Answer:

Hello.  You confuse "murder" with Capital Punishment.  God was not calling (yeah, ordering) the murder of homosexuals, murderers, adulterers, bestiality practitioners, rapists, etc., He was rather calling for Capital Punishment (public execution) after a fair trial, the evidence supported by two or three honest witnesses. 

    Do I think that we should do it today?  I feel that we should abide by the laws of the land, God will straiten out the whole mess at His return.  As many shall learn the hard way.  But I know that had we continued to do it God's way, there would be whole lot less new homosexuals, murderers, rapists, etc. 

    But you err in referring to it as "the old law."  Christ did not come to destroy the Law, He did not come to enable you and others from your below list of sinners to wantonly sin without conscience.  And you shall answer for your sins, just as shall I and all others answer for our sins.

Matthew 5:17-19 [Jesus speaking]
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.  KJV

    And your basic (but unstated) argument that, "everybody sins, so it's perfectly okay for me to continue in my sin, unrepentant", falls short. 

    Take what you will from the below; I supply it without commentary:

Matthew 18:7-9
7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.  KJV
 

Matthew 19:3-12
3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.
11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.
12 For there are some eunuchs [non-sexual], which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.  KJV

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The reader replies:

I think you need to have another look at matt 5;17-19. Jesus said the law
stood till what was to be fulfilled! Did you miss the cross? The old law
was destroyed at the cross. Christians are no longer bound by the old law
(its even said in the NT!) So how come you are bound by the old law when
the rest of us are free of it?

As for if we all obeyed the law there would
be less homosexuals is like saying there would be less blacks and feminists
and left handed folk, as all of these people have been condemned by people
who miss vital points in the Bible as you do.

The reality here is, if we
all followed the laws of Christ there would be no new murderers,
homophobics, adulterers, racists, catamites and sexist people. You see,
Christian love is plainly defined in 1 cor 13;4-8 and you can't be a
homophobic or heterosexist Christian if you follow the definition of love
in this verse anymore than you could be a racist or sexist Christian.

Oh and its not capital punishment, its murder, its clear if you read the
text "their blood be upon them!"

[xxxxxxx]


Answer:

Hi [xxxxxx].  You seem to just want to argue and "Scripture lawyer" your way into making your sin of choice acceptable.  I gave you the Scriptures, I was patient with you, I did not hold back anything.  Now I must just leave you in God's hands.  Arguing gets nobody anywhere, and it devolves into each wishing to win more than being right. 

    I'm sorry, but I cannot be twisted like the modern day false preachers into accepting your perverted lifestyle just because you say that if I don't, then I am not "showing Christian love." 

    You are deluded by your lust and are willing to do anything, twist any Scripture, deny those that you can't twist, corrupt others—all for the express purpose of defying God's commands about Homosexuality and Lesbianism. 

    I can't be a part of your "new Christianity."  The spirit (small 's') in that brand of "christianity" (small 'c') is not the Holy Spirit. 

    Pray to God in Jesus' name for a release and a spiritual cleansing.  That is your only hope. 

    I might also admonish you about coming dangerously close to calling God a murderer.  You said:

Oh and its not capital punishment, its murder, its clear if you read the
 text "their blood be upon them!"

referring to:

Leviticus 20:13
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.  KJV

    That, my friend, was God speaking in that above verse, and He wasn't calling for murder, but for a just sentence.  And unless I misunderstand you here, that's nigh unto blasphemy to call it a God-ordered MURDER.

    Be careful.  Talk about going from the frying pan into the fire! 

    The "them" in the Scripture (as in, "their blood shall be upon them") is the two Homosexuals; the Scripture is saying that they deserve the punishment and that the nation will not be charged for killing them because it was a just execution done according to God's command.  Not that I would call for it today because of the laws of our land.  The "cutting-off" will be done by God on Judgment Day, now; because if Christians followed this law today they would be brought up on murder charges by the civil (secular) authorities and it would bring discredit upon Christianity and cause the innocent blood of Christians to flow. 

    But what God makes a Capital Offense (execution) on Earth shall be carried out in Heaven (in His own way)—just because man is slack concerning punishment does not mean that God will follow man's slackness.

2 Peter 3:9
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.  KJV

    So, you aren't getting away with anything.  Your only hope is to repent on earth in Jesus Christ's name—then God shall pardon you in/from Heaven.  For, no repentance = no forgiveness, no forgiveness = no pardon, no pardon = no life.  And: no Jesus = no forgiveness, no forgiveness = death of a lasting sort.  But God judges all in all.

    Now, since you are confused on a Scripture and on a major Christian tenant, I will visit the Scripture which you refer to as your defense.

    You said:

"Jesus said the law
stood till what was to be fulfilled! Did you miss the cross? The old law
was destroyed at the cross. Christians are no longer bound by the old law
(its even said in the NT!) So how come you are bound by the old law when
the rest of us are free of it?"

    You warp this to mean that Christians can break God's laws and suffer no sin.  You confuse God's laws with God's Covenant.  The Covenant is the Law of salvation.  God's laws are those things which we were forbade to do.  Adding to your confusion is the fact that the Covenant made by God with Israel in the Old Testament is also called The Law in the New Testament, and that The Law is different than the laws, though there are laws in The Law.  Also, the Pentateuch (first five books of the Old Testament by Moses) is also called The Law.  This causes not a little confusion.  As we see.  Also note that "covenant" is the same thing as "testament," which is why long ago they called the New Testament of the Bible the New Covenant, and some still do.

    I believe that the below Scripture is the one that you were referencing in your above:

Romans 6:14
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. KJV

which you incorrectly take to mean that we Christians are free to commit sins which were written against in God's Law because somehow they are no longer forbidden sins.  Technically, according your reasoning, in addition to being allowed to participate in Homosexual/Lesbian sex, Christians are now free to murder, commit adultery, rape, commit bestiality, incest, etc.  But this is foolishness.  What kind of "Christianity" are you building here?  You and those who think like you do are doing exactly the same thing to the New Testament, with your Liberalism, that the Pharisees with their Talmudic-type teachings did to the Old Testament.  Jesus came the first time (First Advent) to put down the false-Mosaic religious rebellion of the Pharisees, and He will come the second time (Second Advent) to put down the false-Christian religious rebellion of the false "Christians," the antichristians.  Now, did not even Jesus Himself say:

Matthew 5:17-19
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.  KJV

    And in another place Jesus said:

John 14:15
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.  KJV

    Now, if you take that earlier above verse (Romans 6:14) in context with the verses around it, you will see that it is speaking of the Old Covenant of the Hebrews, whereby they attained eternal life by living sinless.  This of course was impossible for man, so God made a new Covenant, one written in Jesus' blood.  This is contained in the New Testament of the Bible.

    And most certainly you do not see your below Scripture permitting sin, far from it.  It is just saying that you can be forgiven through Jesus Christ:

Romans 6:11-23
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. KJV


The New Covenant:

Hebrews 8:10-13
10 For this is the covenant
[Jesus Christ, contained in the New Testament] that I will make with the house of Israel after those days [First Advent], saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts [the giving of the Holy Spirit to Christians]: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more
[through repentance in Jesus Christ's name].
13 In that he saith, A new covenant
[in Jesus Christ], he hath made the first [Moses' through animal sacrifices] old. Now that [the Old Covenant] which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away [replaced by the New Covenant].  KJV

   In other words, the New Testament Covenant (with Christ's blood offering for sin debt) supersedes the Old Testament Covenant (with animal blood offering for sin debt) as to salvation and forgiveness.  But the sin still requires a payment in blood for the debt.  It is just that Jesus pays it upon repentance, instead of us paying for it on Judgment Day (or an animal paying it, as in the Old Covenant).

Hebrews 9:22
22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.  KJV

    Also, no matter how "good" a person is, they cannot be saved now without believing upon Jesus Christ, because nobody can possibly live a sinless life (except for Jesus Christ).  And, "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:21).  And "the wages of sin is death" (Romans 6:23).  Also, since God will no longer take animal sacrifices for sin, the only sacrifice accepted is Jesus Christ.  And the only way for anyone to claim that pardon is through belief upon Jesus Christ; i.e., Christians only.

Romans 3:19-26
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.  KJV

    But a sin is still a sin; and it still must be paid for.  In the case of Christians, their sin is paid for by Jesus after repentance; but with non-Christians, they shall pay their own sin debt on Judgment Day.  And "the wages of sin is death" (Romans 6:23).

    So, when it is said that the "Law" was done away with, what that means is that the Old Testament way for forgiveness (animal sacrifice) and salvation (following the laws perfectly) was replaced with Christ's atoning blood.  In other words, it isn't saying that sins are no longer sins; God forbid!  But that salvation is not under the Law, but under the grace of Jesus Christ (for those who believe upon Him).  It is merely changing the way that a man may be saved.  And has absolutely nothing to do with changing sins into non-sins, as you like to think: that since you call yourself a Christian that you can have Homosexual sex and bear no sin on your soul.  As though God now somehow changed His mind and finds no fault or abomination in Homosexuality.  I know that you think this because many false preachers, especially the Gay ones, have told you this lie.  Their sin is greater than yours; for, they destroy you as well as themselves.  Did you forget what Jesus said of those who tempt others to sin?

Matthew 5:17-19
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.  KJV

    You know, if I might add my feeling on the matter, my own opinion if you will;  it would be better for you had you said: "I am sinning, but am too weak to stop," than for you to say: "I do as I wish, there is no sin in me."  For, in the first case you are repentant and humble, though weak and yet sinning; however, in the second case you are disobedient and defiant, claiming no sin nor any need for repentance.  I base this opinion of mine on the underlying teaching gleaned from the below Scripture; and you may determine on your own if I make a good correlation, or if I am reaching:

Luke 18:9-14
9 And he [Jesus] spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.  KJV

    Regardless, since you are reprobate, I cannot even bid you God speed like I have been doing with my closing line of "Peace to you in Christ Jesus" at the end of each reply.  The reason that I cannot wish you off well is:

2 John 8-11
8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.  KJV

    It's not because you are Gay, it is because you fully intend to remain Gay, unrepentant and worse; that you intend to teach others that being Gay is no sin.  Thus becoming a snare to their souls as well as your own.

    I really don't think that you grasp the gravity of your situation; that, or that you simply don't care, or don't believe.

   
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